GULF AIR foresees TRISTARS,the only way out
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GULF AIR foresees TRISTARS,the only way out
Just heard the other day gf is getting a good deal on getting 10 tristars for a million bucks each.
where would you get a deal like that.
Delta airlines are pleased to offload them anyday.
GO GULF AIR GO !!!!!!!
Just don't drop inflight debri on any body,e.g. flaps,engines etc.
Tristars belong in the graveyard by now????
where would you get a deal like that.
Delta airlines are pleased to offload them anyday.
GO GULF AIR GO !!!!!!!
Just don't drop inflight debri on any body,e.g. flaps,engines etc.
Tristars belong in the graveyard by now????
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Nothing wrong with L1011: the -500 is probably the best designed and built aircraft, ever.
$1m is an absolute bargain price - think how many you could buy for the cost of a 767; or how much extra fuel you could pay for with the savings!
Stand by for a major resurrection of L10s in the not too distant future!
$1m is an absolute bargain price - think how many you could buy for the cost of a 767; or how much extra fuel you could pay for with the savings!
Stand by for a major resurrection of L10s in the not too distant future!
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Guvnor,
Weren't these supposed to become your L-1011s? I sure think so!
Only 1 million dollars per plane...
Does that mean you weren't even able to scrape together one lousy million dollars to buy a L-1011? I thought this would be peanuts for a self proclamed experienced guy like you! After all: aren't you the one that always tries to make us believe how very well connected you are?
Boy, you really are a big looser then!
Weren't these supposed to become your L-1011s? I sure think so!
Only 1 million dollars per plane...
Does that mean you weren't even able to scrape together one lousy million dollars to buy a L-1011? I thought this would be peanuts for a self proclamed experienced guy like you! After all: aren't you the one that always tries to make us believe how very well connected you are?
Boy, you really are a big looser then!
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If it's happening, my money is on those being the SV aircraft. The DL ones require substantial investment to put them back in the air. You're obviously not really in the airline industry, tolipanebasotherwise you'd be aware of basic things like maintenance checks, engine overhauls, life limited parts, etc etc ... and their cost!
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Guvnor you really do talk a load of bollox! The L1011 is heavy metal and totally uneconomical in this day and age.
I have no doubt as to why your hairbrained schemes never got off the ground !!!
I have no doubt as to why your hairbrained schemes never got off the ground !!!
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Guvnor,
If you are such an expert on technical matters, then how come we never see a single post from you on any of the technical forums?
People sure would be delighted to benefit from your professional views on maintenance and operating procedures too...
On second thoughts, I suppose your technical knowledge is probably as solid as your managerial, so maybe your being quiet is the best after all.
If you are such an expert on technical matters, then how come we never see a single post from you on any of the technical forums?
People sure would be delighted to benefit from your professional views on maintenance and operating procedures too...
On second thoughts, I suppose your technical knowledge is probably as solid as your managerial, so maybe your being quiet is the best after all.
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Why on earth would an airline like Gulf Air be after Tristars, if there are plenty of more modern (an less fuel burning) planes available.
(I happen to know of some airbus A330/A340 in Brussels that aren't used at the time)
(I happen to know of some airbus A330/A340 in Brussels that aren't used at the time)
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Gulf Air love reliving the past.they pulled this stunt in '96 when they refitted a couple of the parked 1011s in AUH. Most of them had bad corrosion and they flew on the line for about three months in total. see when you don't have to worry about where your next quid is coming from you can squander money til the camels come home. when things get desperate GF are the exponents in crisis management.
this will be bigger than Ben Hur - watch this space!!!!!!!!
this will be bigger than Ben Hur - watch this space!!!!!!!!
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Another Belgian who can't spell... in fact, the Guvnor makes a lot more sense than you do, and seeing as you clearly like to back losers (hint for others: spell his/her username backwards), perhaps you should desist from guv-bashing until you understand a little more about the cost of operating aircraft...
Another Belgian who can't spell... in fact, the Guvnor makes a lot more sense than you do, and seeing as you clearly like to back losers (hint for others: spell his/her username backwards), perhaps you should desist from guv-bashing until you understand a little more about the cost of operating aircraft...
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L1011-500...best aircraft ever designed and built? possibly why it had to be returned to Locheed(?) for additional mods to attain it's stated range/payload !! Build quality at Burbank was never up to much!!
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Fuel costs at low for the moment ( wish I could predict rises and falls but it seems to be more mystical than logical). Prolonged lowering of fuel costs may make, (it's a narrow margin), Lockheed's fine machine,possibly a goer even after return to service and C checks (don't buy if it needs a D check)(have really smart marketing).
However there seem to be very many twins with similar capacity and even greater fuel efficency available now in a desert somewhere.
The publics memory is short term, Afganistan is a long way away, and they rarely know what airframe they are flying on.
I can see a bright future, the train from NYC to London has never arrived.
However there seem to be very many twins with similar capacity and even greater fuel efficency available now in a desert somewhere.
The publics memory is short term, Afganistan is a long way away, and they rarely know what airframe they are flying on.
I can see a bright future, the train from NYC to London has never arrived.
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The Tristar is a lovely airplane. A little complex perhaps and needs TLC. However, the punters like it. Range is an issue, as is fuel burn. However here is a little ditty you may like.
Queen of the Skies
There's a sorry, tired Tristar on the blocks at GamCo Two;
It's been there now for seven days or more.
She's the queen of that damned hangar, and they all call her a banger.
And there's talk of sending all her parts to store.
It's a sad and sorry tale, of this road to aircraft hell;
Of the good times and the bad times of the past.
Of the people that she flew, and the pilots that she knew
took care to make the spars and engines last.
When at first she came alive, in Orlando seventy five;
When electrics surged first through her wire veins.
Oh her paintwork gleamed so bright, as they pulled her to the light,
from the hangar to join the other planes.
How she towered over most, and it was no idle boast;
That in cruise she would better point eight seven.
With those three great Rolls Royce fans, and a pair of able hands;
She was Lockheed's answer to a pilot's heaven.
The passengers she flew, and others said they knew;
That the ride up high was smooth and you could talk.
When offered aircraft choice, they always had one voice;
Tristar please, or else we'll damn well walk.
Now the L10 of this tale, whom we'll get to know quite well;
was destined for a Middle Eastern Airline.
She was brought with oil money, though no-one thought that funny;
It was cash and it paid the bills just fine.
They equipped her with the best, with a rare and cunning zest;
of knowing what the punter really needed.
With a bar up there in first, you could quench your traveler’s thirst,
or sleep, the miles passing quite unheeded.
As the years passed slowly by, she did nothing much but fly
London, Gulf, London, the odd Far East.
She was used on Bombay's rarely, since one could say quite fairly,
that here she got appreciation least.
But before she got much older, she was often asked to shoulder,
burdens other aircraft never took.
They flew her every day, in the most appalling way.
And the engineers just threw away the book.
Now she's only made of metal, but she really showed her fettle.
This treatment lasted some say, many a year.
Management no longer cared, how she looked or how she fared,
Profits, Load and Yield their only fear.
As the years went on and by, there were those with a caring eye
who could see what was soon to come to pass.
If they didn't stop the rot, and start caring quite a lot,
they would lose one and that would burn some ass.
The Tristar of this story, refused to lose her glory,
On a mountain side or muddy German plain.
She was made with pride and care, and it wasn't damn well fair,
if she wasn't loved she'd never fly again.
So there started fun and games, with breakers, fuel and frames;
The engines often failed to start at all.
Commercial tore their hair, and Planning began to swear,
but no-one read the writing on the wall.
There's a sorry, tired Tristar on the blocks at Gamco Two;
It's been there now for seven days or more.
She's the queen of that damned hangar, and they all call her a banger.
And there's talk of sending all her parts to store.
abridged - <c> 1992 KBS
[ 23 November 2001: Message edited by: MasterGreen ]
Queen of the Skies
There's a sorry, tired Tristar on the blocks at GamCo Two;
It's been there now for seven days or more.
She's the queen of that damned hangar, and they all call her a banger.
And there's talk of sending all her parts to store.
It's a sad and sorry tale, of this road to aircraft hell;
Of the good times and the bad times of the past.
Of the people that she flew, and the pilots that she knew
took care to make the spars and engines last.
When at first she came alive, in Orlando seventy five;
When electrics surged first through her wire veins.
Oh her paintwork gleamed so bright, as they pulled her to the light,
from the hangar to join the other planes.
How she towered over most, and it was no idle boast;
That in cruise she would better point eight seven.
With those three great Rolls Royce fans, and a pair of able hands;
She was Lockheed's answer to a pilot's heaven.
The passengers she flew, and others said they knew;
That the ride up high was smooth and you could talk.
When offered aircraft choice, they always had one voice;
Tristar please, or else we'll damn well walk.
Now the L10 of this tale, whom we'll get to know quite well;
was destined for a Middle Eastern Airline.
She was brought with oil money, though no-one thought that funny;
It was cash and it paid the bills just fine.
They equipped her with the best, with a rare and cunning zest;
of knowing what the punter really needed.
With a bar up there in first, you could quench your traveler’s thirst,
or sleep, the miles passing quite unheeded.
As the years passed slowly by, she did nothing much but fly
London, Gulf, London, the odd Far East.
She was used on Bombay's rarely, since one could say quite fairly,
that here she got appreciation least.
But before she got much older, she was often asked to shoulder,
burdens other aircraft never took.
They flew her every day, in the most appalling way.
And the engineers just threw away the book.
Now she's only made of metal, but she really showed her fettle.
This treatment lasted some say, many a year.
Management no longer cared, how she looked or how she fared,
Profits, Load and Yield their only fear.
As the years went on and by, there were those with a caring eye
who could see what was soon to come to pass.
If they didn't stop the rot, and start caring quite a lot,
they would lose one and that would burn some ass.
The Tristar of this story, refused to lose her glory,
On a mountain side or muddy German plain.
She was made with pride and care, and it wasn't damn well fair,
if she wasn't loved she'd never fly again.
So there started fun and games, with breakers, fuel and frames;
The engines often failed to start at all.
Commercial tore their hair, and Planning began to swear,
but no-one read the writing on the wall.
There's a sorry, tired Tristar on the blocks at Gamco Two;
It's been there now for seven days or more.
She's the queen of that damned hangar, and they all call her a banger.
And there's talk of sending all her parts to store.
abridged - <c> 1992 KBS
[ 23 November 2001: Message edited by: MasterGreen ]
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This is a new one!
Have not heard anything at all about this.
Gulf Air do have a lot of experience flying Tristars and still have a lot of pilots who flew them. More importantly they still have some pilots who were originally Tristar engineers, so conceivably they could crew them from current resources.
However if there was any truth in this rumour I would have expected to have heard from the many Tristar lovers I was partying with last night
I will investigate further
Have not heard anything at all about this.
Gulf Air do have a lot of experience flying Tristars and still have a lot of pilots who flew them. More importantly they still have some pilots who were originally Tristar engineers, so conceivably they could crew them from current resources.
However if there was any truth in this rumour I would have expected to have heard from the many Tristar lovers I was partying with last night
I will investigate further
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MasterGreen - never seen that particular offering before - fairly tore at the old heart strings! *sniff* 
Yep, GF didn't look after their aircraft at all. George Batchelor bought some which were converted to freighters and the balance were acquired by Intercredit. Two airframes were broken up by Marshalls last year - they were apparently completely rotten.
Second Segment - you're actually thinking of the MD11. The L15 delivered and then some ... and still does!
Rollingthunder - agreed re twins, but if you want to fly long overwater or remote routes and don't have ETOPS certification (obviously not applicable in GF's case) then the L10 is the way to go. The RB211-524B4s have 15% lower fuel burn than the CF6-50C2; and anyway, the punters prefer to have extra engines - and every pilot who has ever flown the aircraft waxes lyrical about the roomy flight deck and handling characteristics!
Yep, GF didn't look after their aircraft at all. George Batchelor bought some which were converted to freighters and the balance were acquired by Intercredit. Two airframes were broken up by Marshalls last year - they were apparently completely rotten.
Second Segment - you're actually thinking of the MD11. The L15 delivered and then some ... and still does!
Rollingthunder - agreed re twins, but if you want to fly long overwater or remote routes and don't have ETOPS certification (obviously not applicable in GF's case) then the L10 is the way to go. The RB211-524B4s have 15% lower fuel burn than the CF6-50C2; and anyway, the punters prefer to have extra engines - and every pilot who has ever flown the aircraft waxes lyrical about the roomy flight deck and handling characteristics!