no jump seat rides???
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Sadly those happy days ended in 2001 and we all know why.
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Just to be clear on the KLM policy: no passengers allowed on jumpseats (incl. cabin), because they pay too much to be on a jumpseat (so they stay behind, that will make 'm happy...). So what happened here then? Let me guess, either of next three:
1. A DHC, other kind of KLM employee or a passenger related to the crew volunteered to be on a jump seat (allowed in both cabin and cockpit, SCD), and the passenger got a normal seat.
2. Someone else was kicked of the aircraft for some reason or other.
3. Captain didn't follow protocol. Does happen, but if someone files a report about it, he will be invited for a chat at the office.
1. A DHC, other kind of KLM employee or a passenger related to the crew volunteered to be on a jump seat (allowed in both cabin and cockpit, SCD), and the passenger got a normal seat.
2. Someone else was kicked of the aircraft for some reason or other.
3. Captain didn't follow protocol. Does happen, but if someone files a report about it, he will be invited for a chat at the office.
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Had a TRUCE ride to Seville and back today, one of those flights which is claimed to be next to impossible to obtain!
Many thanks to Nickolai and David, a great day!
(And thank you Marc for organising it)
Many thanks to Nickolai and David, a great day!
(And thank you Marc for organising it)
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During a flight from EXT to PMI 2 years ago the captain allowed my and one other small child into the cockpit over Andorra. Very decent of him i think. common sense must prevail!
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No word of a lie, my father was allowed a ride on the jumpseat of an AA 767 roughly 3/4 weeks after September 11th 2001.
I remember riding a Lufthansa jumpseat years ago but I had to buy a ticket. In the States jumpseats are by tradition and regulation free although you do encounter some customs and security fees when you go international on a U.S. carrier.
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Absolutely true. My father is an ATCO.
Dispatchers, horse grooms and Secret Service agents are also mentioned in the regs as potential jumpseat riders under some conditions.
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While it may not be company policy.At the end of the day, It's the captain's decision whether or not they will take pax in the jump seat,end of story.
It may be "strictly forbidden" by certain airlines but it still happens on a day to day basis.
It may be "strictly forbidden" by certain airlines but it still happens on a day to day basis.
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Jumpseats In The Flight Deck.
I do agree that is the Captains choice a the end of the day, but these days you can't be to careful. Do we want anothe 9/11, NO.
I don't know the rules about cockpit entry on other airlines apart from my own, but believe only certain crew members should be allowed access to the flight deck under normal conditions.
Yes, I understand the CRM & SEP issues here. But unless it is a emergency, only the Cabin Service Manager(CSM) and the crew operating in the cabin directly outside the flight deck should have access. By all means if a crew member see's something or just feels that something is wrong, CALL THE FLIGHT DECK. Unless during the sterile cockpit period, then just inform the CSM.
The point I am trying to make is , limit the access to the flight deck and minimise the risk of something happening.
If a person needs a jumpseat that bad, give them a jumpseat in the cabin thats not a door jumpseat. there is always one or two of those extra on the larger aircraft.
The days of doing favors is over unfortunately. We can no longer think "What are the chance's of that happening" This is the age of FLY SAFE, FLY SMART & DON'T TAKE ANY RISKS.
I don't know the rules about cockpit entry on other airlines apart from my own, but believe only certain crew members should be allowed access to the flight deck under normal conditions.
Yes, I understand the CRM & SEP issues here. But unless it is a emergency, only the Cabin Service Manager(CSM) and the crew operating in the cabin directly outside the flight deck should have access. By all means if a crew member see's something or just feels that something is wrong, CALL THE FLIGHT DECK. Unless during the sterile cockpit period, then just inform the CSM.
The point I am trying to make is , limit the access to the flight deck and minimise the risk of something happening.
If a person needs a jumpseat that bad, give them a jumpseat in the cabin thats not a door jumpseat. there is always one or two of those extra on the larger aircraft.
The days of doing favors is over unfortunately. We can no longer think "What are the chance's of that happening" This is the age of FLY SAFE, FLY SMART & DON'T TAKE ANY RISKS.
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So you don't think my 6 foot, black belt karate, student son would be a useful addition inside the cockpit? Common sense - leave the decision who sits on the jumpseat to the flight crew! As for just certain cabin crew having access, their security clearance might well be worthless.
So you don't think my 6 foot, black belt karate, student son would be a useful addition inside the cockpit? Common sense - leave the decision who sits on the jumpseat to the flight crew! As for just certain cabin crew having access, their security clearance might well be worthless.
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Student Of What????
So you don't think my 6 foot, black belt karate, student son would be a useful addition inside the cockpit?
. Only if you son is a air marshall and works for your airline, then yes he would be useful.
Common sense - leave the decision who sits on the jumpseat to the flight crew!
and risk for job or your rank then go for it
. I hope you don't break the law as the industry is short of good pilots as it is.
As for just certain cabin crew having access, their security clearance might well be worthless.
Normally the cabin directly outside the flight deck is either F/C or J/C and they usually have senior crew in them, not the new and junior ones. Yes, all cabin crew are trained that same and they have all attended CRM. But the way I see it Flight Deck or Cabin Crew, experience COUNTS.
I did state in the event of a emergency they can enter the flight deck.
Safety First. Unless that person is operating crew who is not manning a door and wants to sit in the Flight Deck for a take off and or landing. Then how can anyone feel safe with a stranger in the Flight Deck.
As always FLY SAFE, FLY SMART, BE ALERT.
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I was under the impression the flight deck was for the people who fly the airoplane and not his old school chums or whatever.Plenty of museums where armchair pilots can play with all the knobs levers and stuff!Security is paramount these days!
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Bollox.
The locked flight deck door policy is a sham, a worthless measure designed to make people 'feel' more secure.
Just like the idiotic security measures introduced last year.
Remember, the FAA had a locked door policy before 9/11. And did it prevent it? Did it bollox.
I was lucky enough to ride in the jumpseat - as an anonymous pax - several times before 9/11. Was even given the captain's seat in the cruise once. These days, I wouldn't bother to ask for fear of arousing suspicion.
The locked door policy needs to be reviewed. There's a strong argument that allowing pax on the flight deck at the Captain's discretion actually enhances flight safety.
The locked flight deck door policy is a sham, a worthless measure designed to make people 'feel' more secure.
Just like the idiotic security measures introduced last year.
Remember, the FAA had a locked door policy before 9/11. And did it prevent it? Did it bollox.
I was lucky enough to ride in the jumpseat - as an anonymous pax - several times before 9/11. Was even given the captain's seat in the cruise once. These days, I wouldn't bother to ask for fear of arousing suspicion.
The locked door policy needs to be reviewed. There's a strong argument that allowing pax on the flight deck at the Captain's discretion actually enhances flight safety.
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Give me five buddy!
These rules should 'handle' crew with care, too much fuss could actually trigger someone to do something catastrophic just to prove them wrong...with bare hands
These rules should 'handle' crew with care, too much fuss could actually trigger someone to do something catastrophic just to prove them wrong...with bare hands
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I think this j/s nonsence regarding UK airspace is becoming very funny to say the least. I can not carry even my own son on the j/s. Hello..... he is my son!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A, and about this locked door policy. I completely agree with Wedge. It should be reviewed. I can't stand the noice of cabin crew calling me when they have something to tell me.
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Own son?,
Own daughter?,
Own dad?,
Own mom? (a 76 year old mom causing a threat?)
Own wife? (maybe)
The rule could exclude at least kin of operating crew on a particular flight.
As a privilage.
Own daughter?,
Own dad?,
Own mom? (a 76 year old mom causing a threat?)
Own wife? (maybe)
The rule could exclude at least kin of operating crew on a particular flight.
As a privilage.