Extra fuel burnt in air fee dodge

[Desert Diner]

I think you'll find it's got more carbon atoms than that. C10H22 to C16H34 is the range I've seen quoted. Hexane is somewhat more volatile, somewhere between butane (gas at room temperature) and petrol (primarily octane).

Kero/Jet would be around C12-C14 but the mathametics are right as the carbon makes up about 85% of the C+H mass while it makes only 27% (12/44) of the CO2 mass.

So a ton of kero will make around 3.15 tons of CO2 (0.85 X 44/12 = 3.15)

[DooblerChina]

After a quick view of the log book, I reckon I have been to the Canaries 40 or 50 times and used Tango routes TWICE. Both times I seem to remember the French being on strike.

Reporters have to justify their salaries and if they write about aviation and climate change they are almost certain to feature on the nightly news.

Another load of tripe.......

[Fizix]

Desert Diner, it would read more accurately to say ...

A ton of kero AND all the atmospheric Oxygen required would make around 3.15 tons of CO2, some water vapour and a little bit of energy to keep things going. The mass balance must be the same (remember the laws of conservation), so flying is merely a process of conversion from one mass form into others.

I wonder how much CO2 is produced by all the vehicles bringing SLF to their respective points of departure?

[fireflybob]

What about drivers who travel a further distance in their cars to avoid paying to go on a (shorter) toll road?

[mfarrar]

TFS-MAN Tonight

Either:

GCTS TO EGCC ETD 1900 B752 M79 04/12/07
COMPUTED 04/1615Z WX PROG 04/1200Z

“TANGO” ROUTE

++++ INFO ++++ MAX PAYLOAD AVAILABLE: 17935 KGS LIMITED BY MZFW

FUEL TIME DIST ETA TOW LAW PAYLOAD APSWT
ARR EGCC 13672 04/05 01915 2305 095550 081878 017935 060648
ALT EGBB 954 00/18 00057 2323
HLD 1657 00/30
RES 684 00/12
TXY 250 ../..
XTR 0 00/00
TANK 0 00/00
TTL 17217 05/05


FUEL BURN ADJUSTMENT FOR 1000KGS INCREASE IN TAKEOFF WT 0161KGS

GCTS BIMB1F BIMBO UN745 SNT T16 OMOKO UN486 CRK UP600 DUB UL975
LIFFY L975 LYNAS MIRS1B EGCC

WIND P044 MXSH 2/BIMBO
FL 360/NAVIX 370/OMOKO 390

TOTAL OVERFLIGHT CHARGE 928.72 GBP

OR:


GCTS TO EGCC ETD 1900 B752 M79 04/12/07
COMPUTED 04/1613Z WX PROG 04/1200Z

"DIRECT" ROUTE

++++ INFO ++++ MAX PAYLOAD AVAILABLE: 17935 KGS LIMITED BY MZFW


FUEL TIME DIST ETA TOW LAW PAYLOAD APSWT
ARR EGCC 13754 04/09 01807 2309 095636 081882 017935 060648
ALT EGBB 954 00/18 00057 2327
HLD 1657 00/30
RES 688 00/12
TXY 250 ../..
XTR 0 00/00
TANK 0 00/00
TTL 17303 05/09


FUEL BURN ADJUSTMENT FOR 1000KGS INCREASE IN TAKEOFF WT 0162KGS

GCTS KONB1F KONBA UN866 QPR UM30 SALCO UN864 NITON N864 MONTY
MIRS1A EGCC

WIND P016 MXSH 2/LUPEX
FL 360/KUBIL 380

TOTAL OVERFLIGHT CHARGE 1578.24 GBP


Not too hard to figure out which one to use.

[beamer]

Ha - that will be the BBC 'journalist' who sent me an unsolicited e-mail trying to get some gen on Tango routes. Perhaps he would like to spend some time trying to explain why their is about to be a mega conference in Bali on the subject of global warming and associated matters - sounds like a jolly to me !
As for the comment 'I'm from the BBC not The Daily Mail' - the expression 'so b*****y what' comes to mind !

nb is that the Mike Farrar who was on C-130's ?

[MarkD]

Is there a case for reducing the "direct" charge and increasing the Oceanics or are the current charges properly reflective of the ATC cost of both routes and thus best left alone?

[chrisbl]

Perhaps he would like to spend some time trying to explain why their is about to be a mega conference in Bali on the subject of global warming and associated matters

It is not the journos job to answer this question it is the job of those attending the event to answer.

Still a nice little earner for the airlines and the crews. No sign of the industry refusing to carry people to this "jolly" to save the world.

Being picky, the correct word is "there" not "their".

For OKC if you believe what you say then to you its the truth. That's why politicians are hard to fathom at times. How can both sides be telling the truth at the same time?

Its only a lie if you know it to be wrong.

So it looks as both you and the journo are telling the truth as you both see it. You may both be wrong of course.

Being ignorant is not the same as being a liar either.