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1-2-GO, Thai Orient again.

Old 23rd Sep 2007, 09:35
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1-2-GO, Thai Orient again.

Todays BKK Post reports:-

"Another One-Two-Go flight from Bangkok to Hat Yai yesterday had a minor crash landing, but the pilot managed to control the aircraft.
One of the plane's lights and air-conditioning control panels fell on top of a passenger and oxygen masks also dropped down, airport officials said."

Minor maybe but what a Micky Mouse outfit it seems to be!
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 09:47
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At least the incident was reported, here is a statement from the president of Orient Thai

"Udom Tantiprasongchai, president of Orient Thai Airlines, operator of the One-Two-Go budget airline, said he had received a report on yesterday's incident which said the pilot had to make a crash landing on the runway to ensure the wheels firmly touched down"
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 10:01
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Firm touchdown on a wet runway taken out of context by overzealous journalists...maybe???

In old machines like they fly even a not too bad landing might release a few oxy masks due to their plastic clips being fairly worn from age.
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 10:02
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I'll have to remember that the next time I need my "wheels firmly touched down". Does that muppet for a president know anything about aviation?
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I expect he is trying to say "firm landing" in not his mother tongue. I expect even NG Kaptain has done one of those.
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 10:39
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A few emamples.

Here are a few well documented OX incidents.
Engine cowling tears off 757 engine over africa
MD82 suffers full pressurisation failure on way back from HKG not once but twice.
Many pilots refuse to fly one MD saying it is unsafe.
747-200 narrowly misses a 330 departing HKG due altitude bust endangering nearly 700 lives.
757 leading edge flap departs the plane enroute HKT to BKK.
747 engine seen by pilot shooting forward like a missile on takeoff out of azores......I could go on and on..........
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LOL to Gullyone... I've done many firm landings on wet and dry runways, but my boss never had to make a press release saying that I "crashed landed" to ensure that the wheels firmly touched down.
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 11:20
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The Reverend N...

I was on that flight out of the Azores.....it did not really "shoot forward like a missle" on takeoff, but it did go BANG!!! That was one of the 5 engine failures/shutdowns i experienced on the 747 with OX....

dont' forget the 1 meter square piece of upper wing surface that "popped" off the left wing of a -100...there is a picture on the web somewhere?

I was also on the first MD-82 service (jumpseat) to CNX....never got airborne due to a left HYD system failure...dumped all the fluid....

I also remember the pilots refusing to fly the MD due to "unable to rotate the aircraft"....one maybe two takeoffs were aborted out of the old BKK...upon reaching VR, nothing happened...!

Then there was the 757 that had several engine flame-out's....usually on final....?

There is a well known "actual" story in OX where one MD when tech due engine problems in Chiang Rai....Udom requested that "they" ferry back to BKK on.....wait for it................ONE ENGINE!! (I kid you not!!)

or should I mention the famous "2 crew" L1011 out of HKT for BKK....

How about the techlogs....they would make a great fiction novel....

Though there were some good guys in maintenance (good background experience), they were never given the recources to fix anything...if you had a problem, on the next flight, it had moved to the other side of the panel, or wing depending on the problem?

We had a starter break on a JT9D one night going to ICN....having replaced a starter or two on a JT9D, it is not a difficult procedure. A truck turned up with a big box in the back...they pulled it out (by the spline, where the big yellow placard said you shoud not lift from) and could not figure out why it would not fit? On closer inspection, they were trying to fit a CF6 starter to a P&W....

again...the list goes on and on!

None of the above has been "dramatised"....this stuff actually happened...and I dread to think of what has gone of since?

Thankfully, I can say that these are all in my past. My thoughts go out to those who lost their lives last Sunday and the cabin crew, more than anyone, who ride down the back, not fully knowing or understanding the shortcuts the company takes to keep those aircraft flying.

Stay safe and steer clear of OX

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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 11:34
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b747heavy is correct on all points. Udom does not look for experience or professionalism but only looks for the cheapest pilots he can find. No training, no inhouse procedures.

Once the Chief Pilot there refused to fly a B747 to HKG and back simply because of massive rust under the Aft Bulk Hold. He then arranged for another aircraft to come up from Phuket in the morning to do the HKg return and when he went to work that morning, the rusted aircraft was flown to HKG that night by a Philipino Captain. Why would he do that? Because if he doesn't do it Udom would sack him and he simply could not find a job anywhere else. The joke then became that they fix nothing, just replace the Captain.

Once another Filipino Captain signed two manual loadsheets where both the ZFW and T/O weights were well forward of the envelope. He signed both loadsheets and took off.

All the Farangs left there by frustration with the lousiest maintenace ever seen, dangerous planes and the quality of most flight crew is the lowest you will ever see. So take a wild wild guess why many of the flight crew from paces like Indonesia and the Philipines have been there for many years.

So here is OX's new motto.

If you want to die
Go fly Orient Thai
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 12:10
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Having recently moved back to Asia, I read these posts with a lot of concern. I have recently booked a flight on Air Asia to BKK. Price is right, but, what price safety?
Any thoughts?
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I suggest you fly CX, MH or SQ
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 14:57
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Regulatory authorities

One of the biggest concerns is the complicity or incompetence of the regulatory authorities, and it is not confined to Thailand, as we all know. Until and unless this problem is addressed, rather than being glossed over, lives will continue to be lost unecessarily and the much sought after reduction in airline accidents will elude us.
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Old 24th Sep 2007, 12:32
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Wasn't that China Airlines 747 that broke apart in midair a few years back on its last flight before going to Orient Thai?
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Air Asia is fine, as is Jetstar too, these are examples of good loco's in the region.
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Yes

"Wasn't that China Airlines 747 that broke apart in midair a few years back on its last flight before going to Orient Thai"

Orient Thai were so lucky at first
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Old 24th Sep 2007, 14:17
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"Air Asia is fine so is jetstar too"
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Couldn't agree more re Jetstar (and Tiger for that matter) but AA?? This is the outfit that had 6 runway excursions in one year but had only ONE safety report filed by their crews!!
Give me a break!! Why do you think they have so many Indonesian Captains?? Just like One 2 Go? With AA it's only a matter of time, well-proven by history unfortunately.
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I remember lining up on 21R a few years back in BKK.....out the front we could see tire skid marks from a single bogie (737) main gear, most likely the right gear, deaparting the runway to the right, passing OVER a runway light, then turning left back onto the runway and heading off down the strip..

Story at the time was an AA 737...bad spool up of the engines...lost control...off the runway....made it back on and continued the takeoff

Just a story at the time, but it seemed to fit the mould of AA ops at the time...the marks left behind looked like it was hone hell of a ride?

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To my count AirAsia is flying more sectors and carrying more passengers than all other combined LCC in Far East and to my knowledge they never had a hull loss or injuries...yes they have a history of delays, however I believe they have also one of the youngest fleet compared to any LCC or legacy carrier (maybe excluding SQ). Regarding the bashing of the indonesia pilots, may I remind that the CI a/c that crashed in HKG in high winds was piloted by an Italian (oh..by the way I am Italian too).
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HKG CAD not checking out Orient Thai

On a recent seminar with HKG CAD the question was asked about Orient thai and there HKG operation.
Question posted was do you ever check there clapped out 747-300 which night stops every night.

Reply from CAD. ( can quote name) we can only audit Thai ...Why not Orient thai was the reply. Basically we will upset diplomatic relations between HKG and Thailand.
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You have got to be kidding me...???

Diplomatic Relations my a$$!

The question was asked of the Thai DCA one bright sunny day in BKK....."show me the regulation that states that!!"...refering to an issue occuring at the time...

The answer from the DCA was in document format....The TG FOM! It was dropped off at the office, to the then DFO and it even had the "DCA copy" sticker on the front!

As far as the DCA was concerned, the TG FOM was the rule book!
In all of my sectors BKK/HKG with OX, I never once witnesed the CAD onboard! I had heard of it, but it was a desktop "audit"...IDIOTS!!!

If only they knew...? Should OX have a major screw up in HKG, I want to be a fly on the wall in the CAD to watch the finger pointing!

That reminds me, there was the 3 engine ferry from HKG to BKK....they had not received approval from HKG CAD or Thai DCA...the crew motored teh dead engine to simulate a "start" then pushed and ferried to BKK

Anyway, enough ranting for today! Stay safe all

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