Pilot Severely Sanctioned For Speaking In Support Of Attacks On US.
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That is such total crap.
What is going on in the west bank is 200 kids get together to throw rocks at soldiers. In the midst of the 200 kids are one to two Palestinian snipers shooting real bullets at the Isreali soldiers.
The Isreali soldiers return fire on the sniper and many more times than not, get the sniper and no one else. Unfortunately it doesn't work out that way all the time and children and others (none of whom are "innocent") are hit. Innocent children wouldn't be out throwing rocks at soldiers and participating in these demonstrations. They are well organized and planned in advance. Innoncent people stay home.
I honestly think the Isrealis are going about it the wrong way now. I think sniper fire should be returned with ARTILERY. Make martyrs out of the whole lot in one shot.
I blame the parents and clerics who preach the hate. All to get one picture to parade around sky TV or BBC or whatever to drum up support for their side.
Snipers Hiding behind children doens't make them less dangerous. Snipers MUST be dealt with.
Wino
What is going on in the west bank is 200 kids get together to throw rocks at soldiers. In the midst of the 200 kids are one to two Palestinian snipers shooting real bullets at the Isreali soldiers.
The Isreali soldiers return fire on the sniper and many more times than not, get the sniper and no one else. Unfortunately it doesn't work out that way all the time and children and others (none of whom are "innocent") are hit. Innocent children wouldn't be out throwing rocks at soldiers and participating in these demonstrations. They are well organized and planned in advance. Innoncent people stay home.
I honestly think the Isrealis are going about it the wrong way now. I think sniper fire should be returned with ARTILERY. Make martyrs out of the whole lot in one shot.
I blame the parents and clerics who preach the hate. All to get one picture to parade around sky TV or BBC or whatever to drum up support for their side.
Snipers Hiding behind children doens't make them less dangerous. Snipers MUST be dealt with.
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Of course I'm sure that if you look real close at the pictures and the video above you can see that,.... hold on a minute, neither father nor son had a gun, and both where surrounded by.... a large high wall (veritably sitting ducks)..... still I suppose that they were in the neighbourhood and being Palestinians deserved to die - at least according to you credence - you're not Jewish are you ?!
Now following your logic through, does that then give me the right to 'waste' a few of those Oirish Americans who've funded terrorism on the streets of the UK ?
Now following your logic through, does that then give me the right to 'waste' a few of those Oirish Americans who've funded terrorism on the streets of the UK ?
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5By5,
I agree with you about the Irish-Americans who fund the IRA, I have stated in this forum before that I hope this war on terrorism will combat all terrorism including the IRA. The part about dropping bombs from 5 miles high is pure rubbish...its called utilizing your resources and fighting smart...and whatever "collateral" damage occurs in the Afghan conflict, there will be only one person to Blame and he isn't American, can you guess who he may be? Just like many who blame the US for killing all those innocent Japanese civillians in Hiroshima......the guys who bommbed Pearl Harbor were ultimately responsible. If I lived in Afghanistan and my kid was killed by a "Daisy cutter" I'd be looking for Osama, for causing all this grief. America rarely starts wars, just finishes them! along with our courageous allies of course! and by the way never in the history of warfare has a war been prosecuted with the utmost care not to inflict damage on innocent civilians, unlike others who perpetrate their idea of war aginst only innocent civilians. Or others who use little kids and woman to hide behind.
I agree with you about the Irish-Americans who fund the IRA, I have stated in this forum before that I hope this war on terrorism will combat all terrorism including the IRA. The part about dropping bombs from 5 miles high is pure rubbish...its called utilizing your resources and fighting smart...and whatever "collateral" damage occurs in the Afghan conflict, there will be only one person to Blame and he isn't American, can you guess who he may be? Just like many who blame the US for killing all those innocent Japanese civillians in Hiroshima......the guys who bommbed Pearl Harbor were ultimately responsible. If I lived in Afghanistan and my kid was killed by a "Daisy cutter" I'd be looking for Osama, for causing all this grief. America rarely starts wars, just finishes them! along with our courageous allies of course! and by the way never in the history of warfare has a war been prosecuted with the utmost care not to inflict damage on innocent civilians, unlike others who perpetrate their idea of war aginst only innocent civilians. Or others who use little kids and woman to hide behind.
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5by5,
Your initial portrayal of yourself as a Palestinian in order to solicit emotive reaction constitutes an inflammatory and self-aggrandizing attempt to justify a questionable and feeble thought process, made all the more revolting in the present climate of raw sensibilities. You have little or no grasp of historical precedent, of the unspeakable tragedy that occurred in New York, even less of the immeasurable damage done to the world community of Muslims as a consequence.
Were your posts not so transparently smug and juvenile, they could be construed as a deliberate act of terrorism. You appear to fit the profile of the anthrax mailer.
In my employ, you would be dismissed forthwith, and turned over to the relevant authorities.
Beware my young friend, lest the Men in Black take an unhealthy and active interest in the confused meanderings of your fevered and somewhat limited brain matter.
Your initial portrayal of yourself as a Palestinian in order to solicit emotive reaction constitutes an inflammatory and self-aggrandizing attempt to justify a questionable and feeble thought process, made all the more revolting in the present climate of raw sensibilities. You have little or no grasp of historical precedent, of the unspeakable tragedy that occurred in New York, even less of the immeasurable damage done to the world community of Muslims as a consequence.
Were your posts not so transparently smug and juvenile, they could be construed as a deliberate act of terrorism. You appear to fit the profile of the anthrax mailer.
In my employ, you would be dismissed forthwith, and turned over to the relevant authorities.
Beware my young friend, lest the Men in Black take an unhealthy and active interest in the confused meanderings of your fevered and somewhat limited brain matter.
The bias and prejudice is never far below the surface is it (whatever your views)?
Still, this forum provides participants with an unparalleled opportunity to 'get it off their chests'. I can't help wondering if Osama b Laden, Mohammed Atta et al had been able to indulge themselves hereon that they too mightn't have been satisfied with 'getting it off their chests' thusly (and taking their warped idealism no further!).
Still, this forum provides participants with an unparalleled opportunity to 'get it off their chests'. I can't help wondering if Osama b Laden, Mohammed Atta et al had been able to indulge themselves hereon that they too mightn't have been satisfied with 'getting it off their chests' thusly (and taking their warped idealism no further!).
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5by5 - or is it soon to be 1by1??
As mentioned above you have a skill in distorting facts. Take the video pics for a sec. That father and son weren't exactly on a shopping outing now were they? He was taking his son out to some "Israeli Bashing" on a nice sunny day, not something I, or most of the pilot community would choose to do here. They therefore 'calculatedly' entered a conflict zone, expecting to get hurt, unless they have been lobotomised just a bit earlier. Their death was being "asked for" by simply being there. That father was an idiot in the first place to take his son and I'm sure even you MIGHT not have done that.
My kid for instance is not allowed to throw stones even at English people down the road, let alone armed soldiers at the most violent part of the middle east.
As mentioned above you have a skill in distorting facts. Take the video pics for a sec. That father and son weren't exactly on a shopping outing now were they? He was taking his son out to some "Israeli Bashing" on a nice sunny day, not something I, or most of the pilot community would choose to do here. They therefore 'calculatedly' entered a conflict zone, expecting to get hurt, unless they have been lobotomised just a bit earlier. Their death was being "asked for" by simply being there. That father was an idiot in the first place to take his son and I'm sure even you MIGHT not have done that.
My kid for instance is not allowed to throw stones even at English people down the road, let alone armed soldiers at the most violent part of the middle east.
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D&W - too right about bias and prejudice.
Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in-for-me ! but I suppose that if your brought up on a diet of 'might, is right', and that America is (apparently) never ever wrong, then one can probably understand why some views expressed on these pages are as they are; oh well:
bugg smasher - I suggest you try having a listen to what this American has to say: Free speech (it's necessarily rather long, but very much worth spending some time over)
Suffice to say I'm glad that I don't work for somebody so seemingly intolerant, to anybody who dares expressive an alternative viewpoint, as you seem to be !
Roc - Good god, we actually agree on something, who knows where this might end ! However I'm afraid to say that ''it's called utilizing your resources and fighting smart' is almost certainly what OBL would say as well. But I too agree that hiding behind skirt-tails is as bright a shade of yellow that you can get.
Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in-for-me ! but I suppose that if your brought up on a diet of 'might, is right', and that America is (apparently) never ever wrong, then one can probably understand why some views expressed on these pages are as they are; oh well:
bugg smasher - I suggest you try having a listen to what this American has to say: Free speech (it's necessarily rather long, but very much worth spending some time over)
Suffice to say I'm glad that I don't work for somebody so seemingly intolerant, to anybody who dares expressive an alternative viewpoint, as you seem to be !
Roc - Good god, we actually agree on something, who knows where this might end ! However I'm afraid to say that ''it's called utilizing your resources and fighting smart' is almost certainly what OBL would say as well. But I too agree that hiding behind skirt-tails is as bright a shade of yellow that you can get.
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Help!
As a much older (and maybe wiser) observer (rather than aviator)I am disheartened by this thread. 5x5 has many valid points and opinions and he has a right to those opinions. If you disagree with them - fine, say so. But the idea that because he seeks to explain he should be punished, denied a living, or even life, rather proves his points.
Can I direct our US contibutors to their own revolutionary Declaration of Independence which was based on that of the French revolution. Can I direct you to the definitions of democracy (to be found in any dictionary / encyclopedia). Can I direct you to read up what the US flyers who survived the Battle of Midway (1942) now think (and it doesn't involve revenge, hate, dismissal or denial of other human beings, etc.). Can I ask you to consider how the destruction of life and property and the destruction of opportunity or hope (by any "side") contribute to progress or a better world. Can I ask you to think and study, to examine your prejudices (try reading A.C.Grayling - an eminent contemporary philosopher).
Intellect and worldly knowledge are not requirements for pilotting aircraft and, in spite of the above, I am heartened to see you all engaged in such a robust debate, but keep it respectful of both each other and of 'truth' - if you threaten, or seek to surpress opinion with threats, who are you mimicking - Washington? Mandela? Mao? Stalin?
(Bit of a rant!!!!!)
WE
As a much older (and maybe wiser) observer (rather than aviator)I am disheartened by this thread. 5x5 has many valid points and opinions and he has a right to those opinions. If you disagree with them - fine, say so. But the idea that because he seeks to explain he should be punished, denied a living, or even life, rather proves his points.
Can I direct our US contibutors to their own revolutionary Declaration of Independence which was based on that of the French revolution. Can I direct you to the definitions of democracy (to be found in any dictionary / encyclopedia). Can I direct you to read up what the US flyers who survived the Battle of Midway (1942) now think (and it doesn't involve revenge, hate, dismissal or denial of other human beings, etc.). Can I ask you to consider how the destruction of life and property and the destruction of opportunity or hope (by any "side") contribute to progress or a better world. Can I ask you to think and study, to examine your prejudices (try reading A.C.Grayling - an eminent contemporary philosopher).
Intellect and worldly knowledge are not requirements for pilotting aircraft and, in spite of the above, I am heartened to see you all engaged in such a robust debate, but keep it respectful of both each other and of 'truth' - if you threaten, or seek to surpress opinion with threats, who are you mimicking - Washington? Mandela? Mao? Stalin?
(Bit of a rant!!!!!)
WE
