Spanair MD-80 Incident At LPL
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Time for some of you who think they are experts to eat humble pie with your "rush to judgement" comments from May this year regarding the Spanair MD83 incident at Liverpool.
The AAIB accident report has concluded that the above was due "a crack in a strut in the main landing gear, which on landing forced the wheels up into the wing and fuselage".
The AAIB has asked the FAA and Boeing to review the airworthiness of the MD83 because it is identical to an incident six years previous at Manchester (G-DEVR 27-04-1995).
It would be interesting to see the comments now from the people who you should have known better who posted on this forum at the time.
The AAIB accident report has concluded that the above was due "a crack in a strut in the main landing gear, which on landing forced the wheels up into the wing and fuselage".
The AAIB has asked the FAA and Boeing to review the airworthiness of the MD83 because it is identical to an incident six years previous at Manchester (G-DEVR 27-04-1995).
It would be interesting to see the comments now from the people who you should have known better who posted on this forum at the time.
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Kriscross,
Maybe your outfit is different, but my performance manual allows me to land a 737 with 15 kts of tailwind at numerous airports in Europe, and indeed I have done (without crashing, I hasten to add!).
Maybe your outfit is different, but my performance manual allows me to land a 737 with 15 kts of tailwind at numerous airports in Europe, and indeed I have done (without crashing, I hasten to add!).
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The silence from those critical postings ranging from poor pilot judgement, air traffic controllers to even easyJet pilots is DEAFENING.
All that fit the above should have taken a lead from Big Red L, Gorilla, Herb, Skydrifter, The Growler and Critical Mach and waited for the true cause of the incident to be arrived at and not pre-judged the situation.
All that fit the above should have taken a lead from Big Red L, Gorilla, Herb, Skydrifter, The Growler and Critical Mach and waited for the true cause of the incident to be arrived at and not pre-judged the situation.
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dwlpl,
Your comments are true and fair. But there is the other side to the coin and since this IS a Rumours and News board it's also fair to give constructive comments and indeed offer any rumour or news to events such as this. It's human nature to talk. Of course it wouldn't be fair to ultimately judge any crew withought knowing the true facts. But everyone has the right to their say and comment. No one should be arrogant enough to say they are right conclusively. Constructive comments and criticism is fair on this board in my opinion.
I've found this thread particularly interesting even from the side topics of ATC flow control at LPL and the issue of Runway changes which does happen very similarly in this part of the world where I fly. Food for thought for me anyway. We know PPRUNE threads can degrade to insults and childish behaviour but I think this has been a pretty decent thread. Once again, to be fair and respectful, no one should condem and pre judge the crew to a conclusion withought the facts but anyone has a right to their opinion and offer discussion here. Even you. I'm sorry if you or others don't agree with my opinion or are offended with comments and discussion here but wouldn't this site be quite quiet withought it? With Every incedent, pilots will always rush to judgement or comment. I agree maybe it would be perfect if everyone waited for the facts to come out before posting as you suggest, but that just won't happen here. It'll take 5 min for an incident to happen then you'll see a post here on PPRUNE regarding it. However you'll see worse 'reporting' and conclusion from the media rather than here! But it's common and decent ettiquete to watch what we say and I agree it is NOT RIGHT to blame any fellow Pilot withought the facts! However speculation should be allowed within reason and the ultimate aim to learn from the facts wheather mistakes are human error or mechanical error.
On a side note, in this profession we can be real hypocrites. We can have the greatest respect and comradre for our fellow pilot in the air and on the ground and the next minute it'll take someone (usually from another airline) to do something, say something, try something and you'll be cursing, criticizing and swearing over it. I agree it isn't professional at all. But you're in denial if you say it doesn't happen the world over. But I'd like to believe that when it comes to the crunch, we'll always have the greatest respect for each other in this fantastic job we all do and share and will stand united.
Fortunately no one was badly hurt in this incedent. From eye witnesses thay say he was high, fast, landed long, having seemed to use up to maximum reverse thrust, that may have aggrivated and been the final blow to the crack fatigue in the landing gear strut?
But I'm not saying I'm right! I'll be the first to admit I wasn't there, haven't read all the facts, am not a crash investigator...
Just my thoughts
Your comments are true and fair. But there is the other side to the coin and since this IS a Rumours and News board it's also fair to give constructive comments and indeed offer any rumour or news to events such as this. It's human nature to talk. Of course it wouldn't be fair to ultimately judge any crew withought knowing the true facts. But everyone has the right to their say and comment. No one should be arrogant enough to say they are right conclusively. Constructive comments and criticism is fair on this board in my opinion.
I've found this thread particularly interesting even from the side topics of ATC flow control at LPL and the issue of Runway changes which does happen very similarly in this part of the world where I fly. Food for thought for me anyway. We know PPRUNE threads can degrade to insults and childish behaviour but I think this has been a pretty decent thread. Once again, to be fair and respectful, no one should condem and pre judge the crew to a conclusion withought the facts but anyone has a right to their opinion and offer discussion here. Even you. I'm sorry if you or others don't agree with my opinion or are offended with comments and discussion here but wouldn't this site be quite quiet withought it? With Every incedent, pilots will always rush to judgement or comment. I agree maybe it would be perfect if everyone waited for the facts to come out before posting as you suggest, but that just won't happen here. It'll take 5 min for an incident to happen then you'll see a post here on PPRUNE regarding it. However you'll see worse 'reporting' and conclusion from the media rather than here! But it's common and decent ettiquete to watch what we say and I agree it is NOT RIGHT to blame any fellow Pilot withought the facts! However speculation should be allowed within reason and the ultimate aim to learn from the facts wheather mistakes are human error or mechanical error.
On a side note, in this profession we can be real hypocrites. We can have the greatest respect and comradre for our fellow pilot in the air and on the ground and the next minute it'll take someone (usually from another airline) to do something, say something, try something and you'll be cursing, criticizing and swearing over it. I agree it isn't professional at all. But you're in denial if you say it doesn't happen the world over. But I'd like to believe that when it comes to the crunch, we'll always have the greatest respect for each other in this fantastic job we all do and share and will stand united.
Fortunately no one was badly hurt in this incedent. From eye witnesses thay say he was high, fast, landed long, having seemed to use up to maximum reverse thrust, that may have aggrivated and been the final blow to the crack fatigue in the landing gear strut?
But I'm not saying I'm right! I'll be the first to admit I wasn't there, haven't read all the facts, am not a crash investigator...
Just my thoughts
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Thanks for your remarks..dwlpl..and I'm pleased for the crew that the report produced the findings that it did in the light of the previous MD 83 incident. Sadly this profession does appear to have more than its fair share of immature gossips who like nothing more than to revel in the misfortunes of others.
Some of us prefer to sit back and learn from THE FACTS, but the twain will never meet.
Some of us prefer to sit back and learn from THE FACTS, but the twain will never meet.
