Do Ryanair etc. have ACARS?
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"Pray tell me how Ryanair Ops keep track of their operation"
Well really they don't, cause no money has been spent on DUB OPS, it's like there's 20 -200s still on the apron. It's a combination of 1. Fire fighting, 2. Not answering the phone, and 3. 100% Reaction.
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Well really they don't, cause no money has been spent on DUB OPS, it's like there's 20 -200s still on the apron. It's a combination of 1. Fire fighting, 2. Not answering the phone, and 3. 100% Reaction.
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In the UK, how often do your hear someone from the LeTouquet Lunch Club droning on in that 'John Major' nerd voice with their life history when you're trying to ask for an updated RPS or whatever....
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They use Lisline which is a Lufthansa system. Once sita messages are sent they go straight into it which updates straight away once other airports send the message in the correct format. If no messages are sent and they cant get the airport by phone they will check the CFMU website to see if the flight plan is terminated.
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What's wrong with the old-fashioned telex between handlers and OPS for departure/arrival messages!?
Enter ACARS.... The benifits include...
>>Crew at the front end have facility to "talk" to ops, access weather and ATIS information without reverting to a "one man band" with one pilot on VHF2 not monitoring VHF1.
>>Direct uplink into the ops computer of all flight information.... For example the single FMC entry of a new destination (diversion) would alert ops instantly.
>>Outstations can access "their" flight details seeing when their service pushed-back and also if it got airborne within any slot restriction....
>>Those meeting passengers can access real time arrival information for their loved-ones flight (assuming the airline has a web-based system like BA)....
Just a few examples, but the benefits are too numerous to fully list.
I feel the original thread was not "Ryanair bashing" just a question as to whether Ryanair operate in the 21st century with regard to communications with their aircraft.
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What's wrong with the old-fashioned telex between handlers and OPS for departure/arrival messages!?
Nothing, i'm sure...
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We don't use ACARS either, mostly because of the cost of the connection fees (according to the beancounters).
OOOI-times are sent by handling agents and automatically fed into the (NetLine) ops handling software (i.e. no paper involved on the receiving side).
I mostly get weather from ATC (if it's not too busy)/ATIS/VOLMET and can't recall having to use FIS for a couple of years. If ATC is busy and no ATIS/VOLMET is available and the weather is tight, what else to use but FIS.
I haven't flown a light in the last decade and with JAR-FCL I will soon lose the privilege to do so. I'd imagine that I'd be a lot more pissed off about the new 1-900-CALL-WX numbers springing up around Europe where weather briefings are charged by the minute than about airliners using FIS.
If the frequency is not protected above FL100 that should be published somewhere and FIS should alert the caller to that fact (it's pretty obvious that Ryanair won't be buzzing some alpine pass at FL100).
OOOI-times are sent by handling agents and automatically fed into the (NetLine) ops handling software (i.e. no paper involved on the receiving side).
I mostly get weather from ATC (if it's not too busy)/ATIS/VOLMET and can't recall having to use FIS for a couple of years. If ATC is busy and no ATIS/VOLMET is available and the weather is tight, what else to use but FIS.
I haven't flown a light in the last decade and with JAR-FCL I will soon lose the privilege to do so. I'd imagine that I'd be a lot more pissed off about the new 1-900-CALL-WX numbers springing up around Europe where weather briefings are charged by the minute than about airliners using FIS.
If the frequency is not protected above FL100 that should be published somewhere and FIS should alert the caller to that fact (it's pretty obvious that Ryanair won't be buzzing some alpine pass at FL100).
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I had basically the same question as you covered a while ago under http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=262061
And some of the answers were of the same vein
live 2 fly 2 live
I had basically the same question as you covered a while ago under http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=262061
And some of the answers were of the same vein
live 2 fly 2 live
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Trying to calm things down, I ask a simple question. I've heard the said Irish based airline asking for Italian weather from Swiss Info. I presume it was before TOD so that the approach can be planned & briefed. However, it was severe clear, had been for hours and the Taf'S I had suggested it would remain unchaged for most of the day, certainly the next 2 hours. If the crews had been provided with Metars & Tafs before departure, (I hope so), what is the dire necessity to enquire from the Swiss what was already known.
I can understand the thrill of using a service for which you have paid. Seems a shame to waste the premiums.
I can understand the thrill of using a service for which you have paid. Seems a shame to waste the premiums.
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OM requires destination + 1 alternate WX to be recorded. We certainly don't do it because we like to add more pointless radio chatter to our working days - hope that answers your q, RAT5
And do I sense people resenting proff pilots gathering WX info??? Surely not - if it was a 200-hr PPL asking for WX, we'd commend him/her for a proactive attitude and safety awareness - any chance to extend the same courtesey towards other airspace users as well???
The service is there, free for all to use - so we do. But sure, the moment we ban VFR crossings from all EUR region TMAs and CTRs I'm sure we can come to some agreement about not using FIS for WX gathering
And do I sense people resenting proff pilots gathering WX info??? Surely not - if it was a 200-hr PPL asking for WX, we'd commend him/her for a proactive attitude and safety awareness - any chance to extend the same courtesey towards other airspace users as well???
The service is there, free for all to use - so we do. But sure, the moment we ban VFR crossings from all EUR region TMAs and CTRs I'm sure we can come to some agreement about not using FIS for WX gathering
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Stator vane stop sounding like an obnoxious tit now that you've finally landed a jet job. He was asking a Q and quite clearly doesn't see the big picture.
We we're all in that position at some point in our career and just because you have the benfit of hindsight doesn't mean you can slate someone. Save your crude language for your CEO'S press releases not a professional forum.
We we're all in that position at some point in our career and just because you have the benfit of hindsight doesn't mean you can slate someone. Save your crude language for your CEO'S press releases not a professional forum.
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One weekend I was flying in the LTMA, (in the one of FR's none acars jet) towards another destination not serviced by a Volmet frequency.
I tuned into London FIS 124.750, (reminiscing of my SPAMEIFR days) it was soo full of VFR 'Le Touquet john's" chatter that I deemed it bad airmanship to use that frequency at such a time.
So politely I left to gather my required info from elsewhere.
I tuned into London FIS 124.750, (reminiscing of my SPAMEIFR days) it was soo full of VFR 'Le Touquet john's" chatter that I deemed it bad airmanship to use that frequency at such a time.
So politely I left to gather my required info from elsewhere.
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ryanair acars? 
brilliant.. we even have to get out of our seats to look through the door to make sure there's no terrorist with a spoon in his hand ready to pounce.. pathetic. someone will knock off a pack switch soon...
Most profitable airline in europe.. too tight for safety, won't fit cameras. tossers.
brilliant.. we even have to get out of our seats to look through the door to make sure there's no terrorist with a spoon in his hand ready to pounce.. pathetic. someone will knock off a pack switch soon...Most profitable airline in europe.. too tight for safety, won't fit cameras. tossers.
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At our airline, we routinely get ATIS information by way of ACARS in North America, but in places like LHR/FCO we have to listen out on the VHF frequencies listed. Is there something we aren't doing/paying for that doesn't allow us to access ATIS in Europe?
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Thank you Stator Vane for explaining the big picture to the initial poster. Im sure your last response is far more helpful to him. Being a professional I had assumed you could rise above anything that was said but you obviously felt the need to lower the tone. Be the bigger man and rise above it.
In saying that thank you for justifying what I said in my previous post.
In saying that thank you for justifying what I said in my previous post.
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Much amusement from me overhead Stapleford yesterday with Stapleford Radio on Box 1 to hear a Ryanair jet asking for met info for Rome!
I don't see what the fuss is about, if a facility is there, then use it. I regular grab the ATIS for Luton before calling up for Zone Transit, and it cut's down their radio work and mine. I'm only VFR, but it doesn't do any harm. If someone wants to be proactive and gather more information for his or her destination then that's a good idea - better to have it and there be no sig change, rather than not wanting to interrupt people's VFR jollies and find +TSRA at the destination.
Horgy
I don't see what the fuss is about, if a facility is there, then use it. I regular grab the ATIS for Luton before calling up for Zone Transit, and it cut's down their radio work and mine. I'm only VFR, but it doesn't do any harm. If someone wants to be proactive and gather more information for his or her destination then that's a good idea - better to have it and there be no sig change, rather than not wanting to interrupt people's VFR jollies and find +TSRA at the destination.
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Quite true BEagle,
They could just add at the end "check NOTAMs" or "standard disclaimers apply" to save the extra 30 seconds of drivel at some airports. It's as is there's a competition to name every possible cautionary tale REGARDLESS of actual conditions.
They could just add at the end "check NOTAMs" or "standard disclaimers apply" to save the extra 30 seconds of drivel at some airports. It's as is there's a competition to name every possible cautionary tale REGARDLESS of actual conditions.
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Probably a lot better to ask for weather, etc, on a dedicated FIS station rather than a busy sector frequency ??