Drug & Alcohol testing takes a step further
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Some excellent responses. I totally agree with the fact that alcohol and drugs have no place in the work place, I do think that the fatigue issue is bigger than one can imagine. I am sure the management in any profit making organisation will always get the "experts" in and make sure the results lie in the side of profit. Not saying that mr pinkman would have erred on this side. I would also like to add that as a human I am also a complete expert in human fatigue. I like to sleep when its dark and be awake during the day, I also respond to food and water. Which as you may have noticed is somewhat lacking in some of the steel lockers we now work in.
As an aside why is it that in the states there are loads of drinking water fountains in the airports but here its just plastic bottles at rip off prices and more waste for the planet. mr green from angry.
As an aside why is it that in the states there are loads of drinking water fountains in the airports but here its just plastic bottles at rip off prices and more waste for the planet. mr green from angry.
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I wonder if VONKLUFFEN has considered the cost and massive man power needed to run a program that tests everybody in the land that has some degree of control over someone elses safety.
We already have a program to control fatigue at my airline, it goes like this..................."Good morning how are you?"......."Shattered, max FDP and MIN rest again yesterday"............"Ye me to, but we're legal so lets go...what was your name again?"
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We already have a program to control fatigue at my airline, it goes like this..................."Good morning how are you?"......."Shattered, max FDP and MIN rest again yesterday"............"Ye me to, but we're legal so lets go...what was your name again?"
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I, as part of my second occupation, have to perform drug and alcohol screening everyday in the medical centre of a construction site. The victims are picked at random (some 5% of the workforce). They recently have added a fatigue test by way of a computerised eye reaction measurement. We can do urine and saliva tests for drugs, but only after a significant event. All this was accepted by the unions as fair, considering the high risk of injury.
So as for the results? Most blow less than .05 despite being borderline alcoholics
. They are given a second test a short time later and can continue work if back at 0.0 (most). Very few blow over .05 (who are invited to rest for the day elsewhere). The fatigue test is very hit and miss, if they show positive they take the test again and usually pass
Upshot is that fatigue testing is unreliable and the breath test needs a fair consumption to show anything (we test this regularly, I myself needed three pints to get .01)
As for the need to test pilots, can we not rely on multi crew operations to police themselves?
So as for the results? Most blow less than .05 despite being borderline alcoholics
. They are given a second test a short time later and can continue work if back at 0.0 (most). Very few blow over .05 (who are invited to rest for the day elsewhere). The fatigue test is very hit and miss, if they show positive they take the test again and usually passUpshot is that fatigue testing is unreliable and the breath test needs a fair consumption to show anything (we test this regularly, I myself needed three pints to get .01)
As for the need to test pilots, can we not rely on multi crew operations to police themselves?
