BA Directors plead to be prosecuted
I fail to see how one company can be accused of running a price fixing scam on it's own, others would surely need to be complicit for it to work.
Can't have it both ways.
If someone came to you with an illegal proposition, which you didn't want anything to do with, perhaps you might feel obliged to inform the authorities in order to disassociate yourself from the proposition?
If you think the Bermuda2 change is completely agreed and sorted out, it isn't.
And if you think the collusion allegation is like Third-World dictators trying to push their way around, it is.
Meanwhile over in say Germany the transatlantic market is in the grip of a Lufthansa-United-Air Canada Star Alliance collusion on fares, capacity and codesharing which makes what is being talked about here look like chickenfeed.
If someone came to you with an illegal proposition, which you didn't want anything to do with, perhaps you might feel obliged to inform the authorities in order to disassociate yourself from the proposition?
UA, AA, BA and Virgin.
Virgin dobbed them in it appears to get immunity.
Some of you appear to have very short memories. Have you forgotten the dirty tricks that BA played some 15 years ago on Virgin when King and Co did their level best to put Virgin out of business?
If you have forgotten or never knew in the first place, then I can recommend the book "Dirty Tricks" by Martyn Gregory.
Anyone in Virgin who can dish some dirt on BA is not going to hesitate for more than one second to shop them.
If you have forgotten or never knew in the first place, then I can recommend the book "Dirty Tricks" by Martyn Gregory.
Anyone in Virgin who can dish some dirt on BA is not going to hesitate for more than one second to shop them.
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How about a refund to passengers for the all of the additional charges that were imposed as a result of collusion.
Anyone in Virgin who can dish some dirt on BA is not going to hesitate for more than one second to shop them.
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JW411 we do have short memories but thankfully you keep reminding us.
I think RB is a shrewder man than to allow 15 years to pass before getting his own back. I don't think it would have mattered which airline it had have been, Virgin would have responded the same regarding what happened here (not the dirty tricks from 15years ago).
I think RB is a shrewder man than to allow 15 years to pass before getting his own back. I don't think it would have mattered which airline it had have been, Virgin would have responded the same regarding what happened here (not the dirty tricks from 15years ago).
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WHBM, a little research on Google does it for me, every time!
This from Channel 4 News of the 11th May 2007
"Budget airlines are fuelling demand, creating new routes and getting people on to those planes," said Alice Bows, an aviation researcher at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research.'"It's also mainly the middle classes who are flying, so it's not as though they're opening things up to a new field."
Fuel costs make up a higher proportion of the operating costs of a budget airline - around 20 per cent, rather than the 10 per cent typical for a flag carrier. This creates extra incentive to reduce the fuel used - which, Bows says, is more of a "happy accident" than something that should be heralded as too much of an eco-triumph.
The airline (easyjet) also sells a relatively high proportion of those seats - its load factor (percentage of seats sold) was 84.8 per cent in 2006.
This compares to an average of 68.3 per cent (in 2005) for members of the Association of European Airlines, a 31-strong body that includes British Airways and Virgin Atlantic.'
Maybe this has something to do with the fact that BA et al have to resort to such spin and revenue squeezing whilst the Locos just get on with making money, even with double the proportion of fuel in their DOCs as the inefficent 'Flag Carrier'.
This from Channel 4 News of the 11th May 2007
"Budget airlines are fuelling demand, creating new routes and getting people on to those planes," said Alice Bows, an aviation researcher at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research.'"It's also mainly the middle classes who are flying, so it's not as though they're opening things up to a new field."
Fuel costs make up a higher proportion of the operating costs of a budget airline - around 20 per cent, rather than the 10 per cent typical for a flag carrier. This creates extra incentive to reduce the fuel used - which, Bows says, is more of a "happy accident" than something that should be heralded as too much of an eco-triumph.
The airline (easyjet) also sells a relatively high proportion of those seats - its load factor (percentage of seats sold) was 84.8 per cent in 2006.
This compares to an average of 68.3 per cent (in 2005) for members of the Association of European Airlines, a 31-strong body that includes British Airways and Virgin Atlantic.'
Maybe this has something to do with the fact that BA et al have to resort to such spin and revenue squeezing whilst the Locos just get on with making money, even with double the proportion of fuel in their DOCs as the inefficent 'Flag Carrier'.
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Ignorance is certainly not bliss
Next time you're about to make a post, especially in relation to BA, why not go away for 10 minutes or so to calm down and come back and post something based on fact and rationale, rather than bias and vitriol
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If you have forgotten or never knew in the first place, then I can recommend the book "Dirty Tricks" by Martyn Gregory.
JW411...Can I "recommend" the book "Branson" by Tom Bower. Read it and take a balance.....remove the blinkers first and open your mind!! All is not as the Virgin publicity machine would have you believe?
JW411...Can I "recommend" the book "Branson" by Tom Bower. Read it and take a balance.....remove the blinkers first and open your mind!! All is not as the Virgin publicity machine would have you believe?
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Originally Posted by rubik101
So how is it that airlines like Ryanair and easyjet have managed to survive, and record profits, without feeling the need to impose a so called 'fuel surcharge'?
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Not really, Carnage Matey, what you're talking about is Revenue Management and all airlines practice that to varying degrees. Anyway, the whole surcharges/ add-ons argument is about to disappear with the DfT ruling that the fare that is seen on the website must include all taxes/charges so there will be no more "stealth" taxes.
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JW411...Can I "recommend" the book "Branson" by Tom Bower. Read it and take a balance.....remove the blinkers first and open your mind!! All is not as the Virgin publicity machine would have you believe?
e.g. RB was too busy to give me an interview. Well what a surprise - the man is busy!
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Well what a surprise - the man is busy!
Branson is never to busy for publicity HE thinks is good for him, any negative publicity is swept under the carpet. I think that's one of the points that book tries to make, albeit poorly.
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Strepsils, as your name suggests, you sure need them after spouting a fair amount of 'drivel' yourself... Anyway thats another issue.
I dont have a grudge against BA. I just find it totally and utterly incredible that WW can stand up and 'admit' on TV that BA DID do something illegal, that the very strict and comprehensive 'inhouse' procedures WERE NOT followed and that yet more money (which could have been used elsewhere) was being put aside. This being the case, there IS money in the company, despite claims times are hard with yet more excuses we are all expected to beleive.
Add to that the fact he knew nothing about it? No really Strepsils. Get a grip and smell the coffee. WW is the 'all seeing eye', main man, responsible for the TOTAL operation. Nothing is kept from him, and if it is, then why is he 'in charge'?
PS I work for the corporation and have done so for best part of 11 years now. My future and welfare depend on these 'events' going to court, and management
ups not once, but regularly in recent years... I think that my 'rationale' might not be as bad as you think 
I dont have a grudge against BA. I just find it totally and utterly incredible that WW can stand up and 'admit' on TV that BA DID do something illegal, that the very strict and comprehensive 'inhouse' procedures WERE NOT followed and that yet more money (which could have been used elsewhere) was being put aside. This being the case, there IS money in the company, despite claims times are hard with yet more excuses we are all expected to beleive.
Add to that the fact he knew nothing about it? No really Strepsils. Get a grip and smell the coffee. WW is the 'all seeing eye', main man, responsible for the TOTAL operation. Nothing is kept from him, and if it is, then why is he 'in charge'?
PS I work for the corporation and have done so for best part of 11 years now. My future and welfare depend on these 'events' going to court, and management
ups not once, but regularly in recent years... I think that my 'rationale' might not be as bad as you think
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Well, she might be for all I know, WHBM
Do you know any different?
Why don't you write and ask her?
Dr Alice Bows
Email: [email protected]
Phone: +44 (0)161 306 3737
Current position Core Researcher
Role at Tyndall Core researcher working on energy and emissions accounting software (Task 2.2), low carbon international freight transport (Task 2.4) and the construction of demand for aviation (Task 2.7). Participating in the following tasks: 2.2, 2.4, 2.7
Do you know any different?
Why don't you write and ask her?
Dr Alice Bows
Email: [email protected]
Phone: +44 (0)161 306 3737
Current position Core Researcher
Role at Tyndall Core researcher working on energy and emissions accounting software (Task 2.2), low carbon international freight transport (Task 2.4) and the construction of demand for aviation (Task 2.7). Participating in the following tasks: 2.2, 2.4, 2.7