ePetition re British airside security
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This petition is now closed, as its deadline has passed.
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Relax the restraints on airside pass holders carrying liquids. More details
This petition is now closed, as its deadline has passed.
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Relax the restraints on airside pass holders carrying liquids. More details
Submitted by Dan Rivers – Deadline to sign up by: 08 May 2008 – Signatures: 3,042
I wanted to sign, too late I guess
I wanted to sign, too late I guess
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Go direct - petitions rarely work
Petitions rarely achieve anything - this one seems to have received a regurgitation of the established policy from a low-level civil servant, rather than the result of due consideration by someone with authority.
A much better approach would be to get an MP or member of the House of Lords to take up the matter. I have observed, long ago and on a completely different topic, that a Parliamentary Question can work wonders.
This piece of SLF is sure that there are some among you who habituate the sharp end who have good personal contacts in the right places and can make a good case to them.
Even if nobody currently active is in touch with him, there is at least one prominent member of the House of Lords who was a BA pilot and active in BALPA. Can anyone get him interested?
A much better approach would be to get an MP or member of the House of Lords to take up the matter. I have observed, long ago and on a completely different topic, that a Parliamentary Question can work wonders.
This piece of SLF is sure that there are some among you who habituate the sharp end who have good personal contacts in the right places and can make a good case to them.
Even if nobody currently active is in touch with him, there is at least one prominent member of the House of Lords who was a BA pilot and active in BALPA. Can anyone get him interested?
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I didnt expect any better
I agree, the response was very disappointing, and a not entirely surprising reprise of existing policy! 
The Chingford Skinhead might be a good bet to take it further!
The Chingford Skinhead might be a good bet to take it further!
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The response was the usual kind of uninformed lunacy you come to expect from the office of Gordon Brown. Thankfully I am now FAR away from the UK mad-house, in a little utopia where we are free to bring our drinks through screening, even the dizzy quantities of a 1.5L bottle of water!!!!! In that same utopia the security individuals still address you as "sir" and invariably wish you a pleasant flight - If my memory is correct, wasn't it like that in the UK some time in the dim and distant past?
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UK Madhouse
I have a commuting contract with an airline that bases its crew in SFO, JFK, AMS & NRT. I work with people of all nationalities from American to Australian, South African to British & a very common thread from all of us is the the fact that we will, at all costs, avoid passengering through the UK (read LHR). This dreadful 'security' policy in place in the UK is doing nothing but bolstering the profits of the airport operators who racketeer by allowing Boots, et al, to sell overpriced food & drinks airside. When there are no more passengers left who are prepared to transfer through LHR they'll look round & ask, "How did that happen, what happened to all of our profits?"
I already had my present position lined up when I was clearing security at LGW & had my sandwiches & water confiscated at the check point. I pointed out to the rude security agent that should I need to cause any damage to anyone then I was about to take a large jet aircraft that contained 22t of fuel into the air. On the flight deck there was a crash axe & rope etc., should I need any implements other than the machine itself with which to cause damage. His response was to then confiscate my banana!
I thankfully no longer live or work in the UK, it's a great shame but that country is being run into the ground by the present bunch of Scottish dominated, loony lefties who have never listened to reason from any expert, in any field, at any time since they came into power in 1997. The response to this petition is just another example of their sheer arrogance. My sympathies to all crew who have to endure the present regime in place at our nation's airports.
The terrorists must be laughing their rotten heads off
I already had my present position lined up when I was clearing security at LGW & had my sandwiches & water confiscated at the check point. I pointed out to the rude security agent that should I need to cause any damage to anyone then I was about to take a large jet aircraft that contained 22t of fuel into the air. On the flight deck there was a crash axe & rope etc., should I need any implements other than the machine itself with which to cause damage. His response was to then confiscate my banana!
I thankfully no longer live or work in the UK, it's a great shame but that country is being run into the ground by the present bunch of Scottish dominated, loony lefties who have never listened to reason from any expert, in any field, at any time since they came into power in 1997. The response to this petition is just another example of their sheer arrogance. My sympathies to all crew who have to endure the present regime in place at our nation's airports.
The terrorists must be laughing their rotten heads off
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So the guv'ment say that rules cannot be relaxed due to the risk of staff being 'coerced' to help terrorists. This they say will prevent weapons/explosives etc falling into the wrong hands.
So I ask the question, are BAA staff immune to coercion?
I have blurred the individuals face and the vehicle reg' in this shot but I still have the original.
I think that wepons in the hands of civilians in any area of the airport is a bad idea.
So I ask the question, are BAA staff immune to coercion?
I have blurred the individuals face and the vehicle reg' in this shot but I still have the original.
I think that wepons in the hands of civilians in any area of the airport is a bad idea.
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The Government are correct...
"We simply cannot assume that members of staff at our airports would never be involved in supporting terrorism, whether deliberate, unintended or coerced"
Being a professional pilot doesn't make you trustworthy, and other staff members who are airside. I've worked airside for a long time and well just dont take liquids through if you have problem...there's plenty of places to have a drink.
Fly GA if you want freedom to take your liquids, that's what I want to do, I mean yes I do find it annoying to, to have to go through security and I prefer the airfield style better than big airports...but that's life, we live with bad people although maybe 20% but still it's 20 in 100 people. Just my estimate based on a lot of people watching.
I used to wonder why, but I went through a phase in myself of reasoning...something some ppruners can't do very well as previously I got bullied on this forum.
"We simply cannot assume that members of staff at our airports would never be involved in supporting terrorism, whether deliberate, unintended or coerced"
Being a professional pilot doesn't make you trustworthy, and other staff members who are airside. I've worked airside for a long time and well just dont take liquids through if you have problem...there's plenty of places to have a drink.
Fly GA if you want freedom to take your liquids, that's what I want to do, I mean yes I do find it annoying to, to have to go through security and I prefer the airfield style better than big airports...but that's life, we live with bad people although maybe 20% but still it's 20 in 100 people. Just my estimate based on a lot of people watching.
I used to wonder why, but I went through a phase in myself of reasoning...something some ppruners can't do very well as previously I got bullied on this forum.
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Heard a funny one that happened recently at Bristol.
Contractor for a decorating firm turns up at the security post. Puts 20 odd litres of paint and white spirits through the x-ray scanner. Security didn't bat an eyelid.
He then put his lunch through the scanner and the security idiots confiscated his yoghurt!!!!
Contractor for a decorating firm turns up at the security post. Puts 20 odd litres of paint and white spirits through the x-ray scanner. Security didn't bat an eyelid.
He then put his lunch through the scanner and the security idiots confiscated his yoghurt!!!!
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But you'd rather have a bird or rabbit ingested in an engine?
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A .22 rifle is very effective against rabits and birds. A shotgun makes a hell of a mess, I wonder why he was issued with such a weapon.
12 bore shotguns are not the normal means for scaring birds and I've yet to see a rabbit that can fly!
It makes me laugh when I go through security at MAN following 4000 x .5 litre bottles of Coke, destined for airside WHSmiths, all of which are x-rayed. Then they tell me I can only take 100ml of liquid. WTF?
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Contractor for a decorating firm turns up at the security post. Puts 20 odd litres of paint and white spirits through the x-ray scanner. Security didn't bat an eyelid.
He then put his lunch through the scanner and the security idiots confiscated his yoghurt!!!!
He then put his lunch through the scanner and the security idiots confiscated his yoghurt!!!!
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Quote from the Government's response:
So you can you be 'coerced' by a terrorist into mixing exposives on the flight deck but not be coerced by the same terrorists into assualting the other pilot with a crash axe and using the aircraft as a suicide weapon.
Please explain the logic to me.
We simply cannot assume that members of staff at our airports would never be involved in supporting terrorism, whether deliberate, unintended or coerced.
Please explain the logic to me.
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Call100
in response to pilots doubting the validity of BAA personnel not being open to coersion and carrying shotguns airside you quote:
So aircrew are not able to take yoghurts onto the flight-deck because they are not trained to a high enough standard? Or do you have no idea about our job?
(By the way the BAA shotgun carrier looks as though he is working alone - is that the safest method of allowing guns airside?)
in response to pilots doubting the validity of BAA personnel not being open to coersion and carrying shotguns airside you quote:
The reason you are wondering is because you have no idea of the job. The Shotgun depends on bore and the choke used etc etc. The weapons are used within strict rules by trained personnel.
(By the way the BAA shotgun carrier looks as though he is working alone - is that the safest method of allowing guns airside?)
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in response to pilots doubting the validity of BAA personnel not being open to coersion and carrying shotguns airside you quote:
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The reason you are wondering is because you have no idea of the job. The Shotgun depends on bore and the choke used etc etc. The weapons are used within strict rules by trained personnel.
So aircrew are not able to take yoghurts onto the flight-deck because they are not trained to a high enough standard? Or do you have no idea about our job?
(By the way the BAA shotgun carrier looks as though he is working alone - is that the safest method of allowing guns airside?)
in response to pilots doubting the validity of BAA personnel not being open to coersion and carrying shotguns airside you quote:
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The reason you are wondering is because you have no idea of the job. The Shotgun depends on bore and the choke used etc etc. The weapons are used within strict rules by trained personnel.
So aircrew are not able to take yoghurts onto the flight-deck because they are not trained to a high enough standard? Or do you have no idea about our job?
(By the way the BAA shotgun carrier looks as though he is working alone - is that the safest method of allowing guns airside?)
No I don't presume to tell a pilot how to fly an aeroplane. Please explain how the Yoghurt enables you fly....
Go to any airfield and the bird controller usually works alone.......
I Am as pissed of about the security mess as you are. In this we are all on the same side.
Last edited by call100; 22nd Jun 2008 at 16:04.