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South African Airways 747 Go-around at LHR

Old 27th Jun 2001, 18:33
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Village Flyer and Mach78,

Simple fact of life is that go arounds will increase simply because ATC has no option but to reduce aircraft spacing (on approach) if another 5lb is going to be squeezed into our already full 10lb bag.

If an airplane has to go around because the previous one missed an exit maybe that in trail mileage was already too close (not blaming ATCO's, they can only work so much magic).

As pilots we need to brief "going around unless....." etc. so it is not such a surprise when it occurs.

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Old 27th Jun 2001, 19:15
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As the HOU (Houston Hobby) Tower Controller said,

"If you don't have two Go Arounds a week You aint tryin'!!"
 
Old 27th Jun 2001, 19:23
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I see the Daily Mail picked up the "story" and ran with it today.
The most frightening thing is that journalists must be as ignorant about every technical subject as they are about aviation. How much of my "knowledge" of the world and its affairs comes from newspapers, TV and radio? An enormous amount, I imagine. So how skewed is my worldview?
 
Old 30th Jun 2001, 00:19
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Just out of interest how many go-arounds are usual at lhr daily/weekly, I have had one BA van-lhr and my wife has had 2 with EK
 
Old 30th Jun 2001, 10:19
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So ?
 
Old 30th Jun 2001, 16:20
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jdoe,
It can vary, we can go a week without one and then get a hatful. It depends on a lot of things such as weather, traffic levels etc. It really isn't abig deal (here on the ground anyway).
 
Old 3rd Jul 2001, 18:28
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Reminds me of a v.serious tv documentry recently about ATC congestion in UK airspace.Cut to Fred Bloggs,Shoeshop Manager from Burnley and "Frequent Flyer" as he recounts his tale of coming into land at LGW when the "pilot" had to go to "full throttle" and "Shoot back into the air"missing a disaster by a few hundred feet.This highlighted the serious underlying faults in the ATC system.
 
Old 3rd Jul 2001, 20:14
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We had an interesting one this morning. The go-around alarm in TC went off (as happens about once a shift at LL - please note jdoe) and the tower reported "debris on the runway".
Expecting to lose 09L, traffic was orbited/put in the hold, etc. But the next 2 working the tower landed! It transpired that a 747 had "encountered" a duck plus assorted ducklings on touchdown - hence the "debris". I personally think the 747 pilot showed poor airmanship in not holding it off for a few feet more to avoid the carnage and I'll be reporting him to the RSPCA
Alls well that ends well though - anyone for "Duck A L'09L"?

P.S. At least we didn't have to put out a Railtrack type announcement "NATS wish to apologise for the delay due to the wrong type of ducks on the runway"
 
Old 4th Jul 2001, 05:01
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Out for a Duck!

 
Old 4th Jul 2001, 14:33
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What is it with everyone about go-arounds? All this publicity has the danger of subconsciously re-inforcing the eroneous belief that this is a big deal. It is not, and should not be seen as one. I have done a number of go-arounds in my time - both as an FO and as a Captain, and will have no hesitation in doing them again if the need arises. The more that people unwittingly discourage go-arounds, the greater the chance of continuing with unsafe approach for fear of retribution from flight ops depts.

I have to disagree with comments earlier that go-arounds are potentially dangerous manoeuvres. They are no more dangerous than any other standard manoeuvre. Some people get themselves into a terrible lather about them and end up doing unbelievably foolish things. To me, it is no different than doing a turn or a climb or a take-off. As the advert says - "Just do it!"
 
Old 4th Jul 2001, 20:42
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">What is it with everyone about go-arounds? </font>
Not everyone - just the press and the pax, neither of who understand. The press want a story and they get it because the average passenger is scared when it happens. Not just a UK thing, although the recent BA/BD incident has probably increased the focus.

Somebody asked how many. I don't think anybody keeps statistics simply because it is a non-event. This appeared on airporthub.com a couple of days ago. Starts off in 'shock horror' mode but gives some details about how often it happens at Minneapolis (MSP).
 
Old 5th Jul 2001, 15:33
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surfingatco

Out of interest did you guys find any ducks?
 
Old 6th Jul 2001, 01:18
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The best go-around I ever had was as a passenger on a Northwest Airlines 747 at 0400am into Vnukova Airport near Moscow, in a biting blizzard in January one year, I was down the back of the whale and the climb out was definitely a 'two armer' Yeeeeeeeeha!
 
Old 6th Jul 2001, 03:22
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M.Mouse - sorry I work in the engine room (TC, LATCC) but I'll try and find out - ATCO 2, are you there?
 
Old 6th Jul 2001, 03:30
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No ducks that I've heard of. A few foxes running about, but no ducks.

Gonzo
 
Old 7th Jul 2001, 21:57
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Our "good old friends" in the media ...
They certainly give anyone with a bit of aviation experience a pain in the .... at times ....
What's needed at times like this, and other senseless reports is that everyone with a little know how write to said paper and tell them what blinkin they are making of themselves are of the aviation industry ...
It has always amazed me how "light a/c makes emergency landing-no one seriously injured" could make headlines in the tabloids ??? When on the same day 1000's of folks are killed in vehicle accidents & murders etc ???
One thing to crews ..be very careful what you say to the pax when you execute a go-around ....an announcement like we just had to execute a missed approach because there was another A/C still on the runway does not go down well with "joe soap" ....also we have been "re-positioned by ATC due to a light A/C that wondered off course in front of our flight path ....get the drift ....it frightens the living ..... out of Mr Avewrage commuter in the back ..
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