Atlantic L188 3 eng emergency at STN
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The Whisper Prop
Anyone who ever flew the Electra would agree that it was one of the finest airplanes to fly that was ever designed. I flew the model with the squaretip Aero-Products Propeller, but I suspect the round tip Ham Standard had all the same bells and whistles, 11 safety features on just the prop! It was a faster airplane across the ground (VMO 410) than the 707 or 727 (VMO 390) until the two "whirl mode" crashes. After those two (Braniff and Northwest), one of the fixes was to re-angle the engine mounts and slow the plane down. It was still immensly fun to fly. Flight Training routinely shut 3 engines down and cruised along on one, inboard or outboard (for demonstration purposes).
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"Ah, that'll be the great 'ZU' then!!"
Yep, ex KLM. Series 2000 aircraft (can tell by two overwing exits).
The Ham Std props have better performance at low level flight, which is why the P3 Orion has them fitted. The Aeroproducts prop is thought to be better in the cruise at altitude, which suits the role of the Electra at Atlantic Airlines.
Also, back on topic, well done to the crew
You can be my wingman anyday!
Yep, ex KLM. Series 2000 aircraft (can tell by two overwing exits).
The Ham Std props have better performance at low level flight, which is why the P3 Orion has them fitted. The Aeroproducts prop is thought to be better in the cruise at altitude, which suits the role of the Electra at Atlantic Airlines.
Also, back on topic, well done to the crew
You can be my wingman anyday!
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one of the best threads ever on pprune.
one L188 crashed in reno, nevada, USA shortly after takeoff about 22 years ago.
an access door had been left open, vibration distracted crew , and they crashed...it was not a freighter but a charter flight full of people. no one came out as I recall.
one L188 crashed in reno, nevada, USA shortly after takeoff about 22 years ago.
an access door had been left open, vibration distracted crew , and they crashed...it was not a freighter but a charter flight full of people. no one came out as I recall.
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one L188 crashed in reno, nevada, USA shortly after takeoff about 22 years ago.
http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR86-01.pdf
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one L188 crashed in reno, nevada, USA shortly after takeoff about 22 years ago.
no one came out as I recall.
Here's the NTSB report:
http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR86-01.pdf
Another Electra flight, a Zantop Airlines "Logair" flight near Ogden, Utah, crashed after a Flight Engineer made a major mistake(s) during an electrical fault in IMC. Because the FAA, under the 'grandfather clause' never required many or most older Part 121 aircraft to have a standby horizon, the plane crashed.
Another Electra disaster was during a badly-coordinated instrument approach into downtown Kansas City after an all-night cargo flight from Florida. During the missed-approach, a crewmember stated that a bright tower was in the distance. The Captain overreacted, lost awareness of airspeed and/or bank angle on the control yoke and stalled/spun the plane into a sewage treatment plant.
Other than often very brief NTSB summaries, for interesting reading one can look at online P-3 articles from the US Navy's "Approach" magazine collection. There are interesting prop malfunctions etc and colorful results.
Another Electra disaster was during a badly-coordinated instrument approach into downtown Kansas City after an all-night cargo flight from Florida. During the missed-approach, a crewmember stated that a bright tower was in the distance. The Captain overreacted, lost awareness of airspeed and/or bank angle on the control yoke and stalled/spun the plane into a sewage treatment plant.
Other than often very brief NTSB summaries, for interesting reading one can look at online P-3 articles from the US Navy's "Approach" magazine collection. There are interesting prop malfunctions etc and colorful results.
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ex electra freight dog
Interesting read. Props are quite special on the Electra, Aero Products and Hamilton Standard. I've always approached these issues with great concern. Used to fly a Aero Products version and the mechanics would over fill the prop reservior. As you may be aware you must not overfill because you need expansion area, I've heard a suggestion that this prematurely wears out the prop seals? TPI International Airways had some interesting maintenance practices, personnel. I recall prop vibrations can lead to catostrophic results several weeks later if not attended to. I recall of two in flight incidents which turned a four engine aircraft into a one engine manual reversion in-flight emergency. When a prop comes off it generally goes through the fuselage just missing the flight control cables and then knocking out the other reduction gearbox/propeller assemblys. There was one incident in Curacao and the other? This was a fantastic machine to fly but the quality of maintenance / parts / made me very un-easy, and thats coming from someone with a maintenance background.
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If they don't have more than one L-188, there was a healthy one departing EIDW last night at about 20:00 UTC. A truly beautiful sight to watch those huge paddles spinning in the reflection of the landing lights.
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Re-read the thread, still not sure if its the dreaded 3-engine landing or not! can anyone enlihten me?
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