Biman A310 accident DXB Mon 12th March
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Regardless of how sh!t the operation or A/C, I think its worth mentioning that by all accounts the crew did a good job.
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According to airliners.net, there was earlier today a Cathay Pacific cargo 747 bursting a tire on landing with debris remaining on the runway. So far no news that would connect it with the Biman incident, thou.
Can a piece of a tire on the runway actually break a nosegear?
Can a piece of a tire on the runway actually break a nosegear?
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Agreed.
Doesn't explain how the nose gear collapsed though and, lets face it, that was the real issue today.
According to my in depth investigation that is now complete, there are two possible causes.
(1) The Biman crew rejected beyond Vr and "lowered" the nose gear onto the runway thereby breaking the Nose Gear.
(2) Poor maintenance resulted in the nose gear collapse at some point on the TO roll.
Pilots say (2), Engineers say (1).
Seriously, they used all 4000m of 12L so they must have been moving rather quickly at RTO time.
Doesn't explain how the nose gear collapsed though and, lets face it, that was the real issue today.
According to my in depth investigation that is now complete, there are two possible causes.
(1) The Biman crew rejected beyond Vr and "lowered" the nose gear onto the runway thereby breaking the Nose Gear.
(2) Poor maintenance resulted in the nose gear collapse at some point on the TO roll.
Pilots say (2), Engineers say (1).
Seriously, they used all 4000m of 12L so they must have been moving rather quickly at RTO time.
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short approach, well said!
There's other "non-confirmed" reports that the nose wheels were off the deck before being smashed back into the ground, which they would have been, in order to destroy the NLG! These bits are pretty tough!
This possibly after attempting an RTO due engine problem at Vr + speeds, not the wisest moves from the boys up front, me thinks?
Now just waiting for the proposed "uncommanded elevator down deflection", scenario! Very Unlikely.
They're extremely lucky they came to a halt so promptly, with the added assistance of both belly & engine intakes acting as additional friction brakes. could have easily plowed into the 707 static display & other array of private BBJ's & the likes, collecting dust down in that corner.
There's other "non-confirmed" reports that the nose wheels were off the deck before being smashed back into the ground, which they would have been, in order to destroy the NLG! These bits are pretty tough!
This possibly after attempting an RTO due engine problem at Vr + speeds, not the wisest moves from the boys up front, me thinks?
Now just waiting for the proposed "uncommanded elevator down deflection", scenario! Very Unlikely.
They're extremely lucky they came to a halt so promptly, with the added assistance of both belly & engine intakes acting as additional friction brakes. could have easily plowed into the 707 static display & other array of private BBJ's & the likes, collecting dust down in that corner.
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Absolutely no bearig on this story, but (thankfully) at a time when Dubai had two operational runways, a B747 from another country that Bangla Desh was once part of blocked the same runway and wiped out all the ILS aerials after the crew aborted a takeoff and ran a long way off the end of the runway before the aircraft came to a halt. I believe the accident inquiry found that they had aborted at VR+15, well after rotation had commenced.
The crew were hailed as heroes in both the local media and the media of their home country.
The crew were hailed as heroes in both the local media and the media of their home country.
Wiley,
That wasnt the same incident that was reported on here quite a long while ago,when the captain got too close to one of the portacabins next to the runway was it???Do believe he demolished them???
It was posted on here,and had me in absolute stitches,I must find it and print it out to keep(It was definately from a country out that way somewhere!!)
That wasnt the same incident that was reported on here quite a long while ago,when the captain got too close to one of the portacabins next to the runway was it???Do believe he demolished them???
It was posted on here,and had me in absolute stitches,I must find it and print it out to keep(It was definately from a country out that way somewhere!!)
Most airbus used optimized speeds to improve performance.I have seen speeds of 160kt+ at medium weights across the entire airbus family for take off.Also with a very long runway they may have been using 15/0 as a flap setting which gives a very long ground roll.
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Wiley et al,
For those of us who have ventured to the likes of DXB only recently, how long ago was it that Dubai had two working runways, and why do they only have one now?
Also, aren't they building some bloody huge airport out by Jebel Ali that is designed to someday be the "world's largest?" I understand it's supposed to start out for freight ops only, but can anyone relate the status of that? Thanks.
For those of us who have ventured to the likes of DXB only recently, how long ago was it that Dubai had two working runways, and why do they only have one now?
Also, aren't they building some bloody huge airport out by Jebel Ali that is designed to someday be the "world's largest?" I understand it's supposed to start out for freight ops only, but can anyone relate the status of that? Thanks.
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Howling...
Don't start me on the 'other runway' issue (oops looks like you have 
) , it has been a protracted, frustrating and shockingly busy time for all concerned with the delays in getting the other runway completed. In fact not even convinced it will ever happen!!
It has meant extra spacing for arrivals which with the unprecedented traffic growth has led to significant delays. This coupled with the closure of our major air route to Europe via PAPA due to a childish political spat between UAE and our neighbours in Iran has compounded this with outbound flow restrictions as well. This is due to the airway that utilises a procedural boundary, b*oo*y dangerous airway too I might add!!!
Have had some unconfirmed stories as to what happened with the runway, the first was that due to heavy equipment using the runway for tranisting to and from works areas damage was induced the latest, more entertaining and quite feasable delay was due to the fact the runway PCN rating was not suitable for 777 ops....
Good effort, probably only half of the locally based airlines fleet affected!!!
Just another MEM (Middle East Moment). The place is being run by absolute numpties.
) , it has been a protracted, frustrating and shockingly busy time for all concerned with the delays in getting the other runway completed. In fact not even convinced it will ever happen!! It has meant extra spacing for arrivals which with the unprecedented traffic growth has led to significant delays. This coupled with the closure of our major air route to Europe via PAPA due to a childish political spat between UAE and our neighbours in Iran has compounded this with outbound flow restrictions as well. This is due to the airway that utilises a procedural boundary, b*oo*y dangerous airway too I might add!!!
Have had some unconfirmed stories as to what happened with the runway, the first was that due to heavy equipment using the runway for tranisting to and from works areas damage was induced the latest, more entertaining and quite feasable delay was due to the fact the runway PCN rating was not suitable for 777 ops....
Good effort, probably only half of the locally based airlines fleet affected!!!Just another MEM (Middle East Moment). The place is being run by absolute numpties.
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The Jebel Ali Intl "O Hare" project is in full steam ahead with 6 runways planned there!
I wonder if anyone has yet sat down & figured out the traffic flow patterns & accommodation, what with Abu Dhabi Int 150kms down the drag( & growing rapidly - ETIHAD base), DXB Intl, which isnt going anywhere in the near future(ie - demolition) Sharjah Intl 20 kms NE from DXB, & then there's still RAK & Al Ain airports within spitting distance !!!7
I sincerely hope that CAT 3 ops will be available at JA (unlike DXB Intl) to cater for the mist that rolls in there frequently, although on every occurence where it causes upsets & mass diversions, its again branded as "UNPRECEDENTED"! yeah right!
All Looks & Sounds very GRAND!
The Jebel Ali Intl "O Hare" project is in full steam ahead with 6 runways planned there!
I wonder if anyone has yet sat down & figured out the traffic flow patterns & accommodation, what with Abu Dhabi Int 150kms down the drag( & growing rapidly - ETIHAD base), DXB Intl, which isnt going anywhere in the near future(ie - demolition) Sharjah Intl 20 kms NE from DXB, & then there's still RAK & Al Ain airports within spitting distance !!!7
I sincerely hope that CAT 3 ops will be available at JA (unlike DXB Intl) to cater for the mist that rolls in there frequently, although on every occurence where it causes upsets & mass diversions, its again branded as "UNPRECEDENTED"! yeah right!
All Looks & Sounds very GRAND!
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The A-310 did a high speed abort and the nose gear collapsed right behind us: We were parked at E-41 ad had landed 1/2 earlier.
I was trying to sleep for the 3 hour ground stop, but heard popping noises like engines stalling in full reverse. Did not think much of it and just rolled over in bed.
5 minuttes later some guy comes running up the ladder and screams "aircraft on fire, evacuate, evacuate...
Turns out all the smoke from the A-310s melting rubber had blown over to us and freaked out the Pakistani loaders, they thought we were on fire and ran for their life.
Some of them thought of waking up the flight crew. Thanks mates.
We went to the hotel for a good rest and came back for a 1500Z departure.
The airport was remarkable calm with no log-jams on the taxi-ways or too much radio clutter. The controllers did a hell of a good job in my opinion.
(In case somebody asked... )
The 310 was hauled off and parked 2 over from us. We got a good look, the engines were flat underneath like the B-737-300s
Remind me to carry more gas next time I go to a single-runway airport...
I was trying to sleep for the 3 hour ground stop, but heard popping noises like engines stalling in full reverse. Did not think much of it and just rolled over in bed.
5 minuttes later some guy comes running up the ladder and screams "aircraft on fire, evacuate, evacuate...
Turns out all the smoke from the A-310s melting rubber had blown over to us and freaked out the Pakistani loaders, they thought we were on fire and ran for their life.
Some of them thought of waking up the flight crew. Thanks mates.
We went to the hotel for a good rest and came back for a 1500Z departure.
The airport was remarkable calm with no log-jams on the taxi-ways or too much radio clutter. The controllers did a hell of a good job in my opinion.
(In case somebody asked...
)The 310 was hauled off and parked 2 over from us. We got a good look, the engines were flat underneath like the B-737-300s
Remind me to carry more gas next time I go to a single-runway airport...
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YA,
A biman A310 burst a main tyre , rejected T/O at high speed more tyre burst and nose gear collapsed at the end.
Runway closed for 8 hrs and then reopened after towing the aircraft away.
Couple a major injuries during evacuation and the rest were minor.
A biman A310 burst a main tyre , rejected T/O at high speed more tyre burst and nose gear collapsed at the end.
Runway closed for 8 hrs and then reopened after towing the aircraft away.
Couple a major injuries during evacuation and the rest were minor.
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you sound informed on this matter!
any details as to which tyres burst and in what order? stories circulating it was nose wheel/s 1st, then mains after RTO?
still I cant see 1 deflated nose wheel, resulting in a NG collapse!
this would have to be compounded by excessive speed or overweight etc.
any facts regarding existing debris on rwy being the primary cause?
you sound informed on this matter!
any details as to which tyres burst and in what order? stories circulating it was nose wheel/s 1st, then mains after RTO?
still I cant see 1 deflated nose wheel, resulting in a NG collapse!
this would have to be compounded by excessive speed or overweight etc.
any facts regarding existing debris on rwy being the primary cause?
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So where is the evidence of a "poorly maintained" aircraft which the crew should not have taken please? Why did that post rate a "well done"?
Talk about mud slinging...
Talk about mud slinging...