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18 Indonesian Pilots Suspended

Old 7th Nov 2006, 06:51
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Pragmatically....

The way I see it is:

1)The State grants me a licence, which is not a diploma, degree or brevet, but merely an "temporary administrative authorisation" to occupy a function on board a flying machine.
2)The Company gives me a job on the condition that I hold a licence.
If the Company is not happy with my "comercial" performance, it might, and sometimes will, take away my job, but will not be able to take my licence. In this case, I will take my licence and go look for a job elsewhere; no matter how hard it can be, I still have a chance to get one.
If the State is not happy with my professional performance, regardless how efficient my comercial performance has been, It will take my licence away, and probably the chances to get a licence in another State. In this case, the Company will thank me heartily for my excellent comercial performance but regret to have to terminate my employment as point Nr. 2) here above is not fulfilled. Regrettably too, I will not be able to find any flying job anywhere else because of the same point Nr. 2) here above.
An Airline may be "Low Cost", and most of them are indeed becoming so just like an advert for Mastercard, but your licence is priceless.
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Old 7th Nov 2006, 09:56
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Originally Posted by Wanches

I don't know with you guys out there, but me-myself can't imagine how it feels to do up to 6 landing in a day. What'll happen if the 6th approach is conducted at small airport, limited runway, and below minima visibility...? Will the pilots choose to go around and go to alternate, with the consequence that there will be the 7th landing? I don't think so, they're too tired to do that...

Regards...
I often fly 6 sectors in a day, and maximum was 9, so i know it is possible and can be done safely. Having said that then yes, it is exhausting and there is not much energy for anything else when you come back home from work.
I do not know how conditions are in Indonesia and can have no oppinion about what the 18 grounded guys has done, except that if they are innocent then they have my full sympathy regardless.

BUT, if you have a job in a cockpit and you are not in a condition to do it safely on an everyday basis, then it is your own bloody responsibility to find something else to do. And that is just though luck, but it is all about safety for all the people that is carried in the back of the tube. Sorry, but i do not feel with people that work after a "too hard scheduele", because they can say "stop" and find something else to do. We are not selling candy and lollipops, we are transporting humans in an already rough environment and if you can't stand the heat, or if the company, materiel and conditions under which you work are not safe, then leave.

I know it sounds though and people have put a lot of money and efford into getting their licenses plus have fought for years to get an airline job, but after my oppinion that is no excuse. In my company good people have left because they couldn't cope with the many sectors and I respect that big time. It doesn't make them less good than anybody else, but we all have our different strenghts and weeknesses (sorry for my bad spelling), and one can only respect those who recognise that they can not cope with the job they have at present, and then are doing something about it. There are lot of other companies with different route setups that then might fit the individual better so they can continue to fly, but then do it safely and NOT take into consideration that they are "too tired to go to alternate"
 
Old 7th Nov 2006, 11:00
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You should all give Greybeards post a good read 2 and 3 times before you mount your high horses.
Or does it suit you better to just ignore it?
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