Air Crash Nigeria

[piombo]

Originally Posted by Dangagan

My sympathy to the loved ones of all those who lost their lives.

So long as top Aviation Officials in Nigeria earn less than $500 a month as civil servants, the incentive and latitude exist to be easily compromised. The Nigerian Aviation Authority should be independent and brought in line with international standards in enforcing regulations, operations, management and adequate pay for officials

Right! And that should apply to every country. Maybe the international regulators should stand up for that.

[Wizofoz]

Guess you don't remember all of the accidents in the 50's and 60's in the USA involving WW2 "Skippers" who knew it all, but operated on the edge of the envelope.

Yes, and we remember a conserted effort by authorities and companies to identify and rectify the causes of accidents, leading to the incredible degree of saftey now afforded. It seems you are somehow defending African aviation by saying it's only 60 years behind the rest of the world!!

Try an NDB over water at night into Tunis with ATC that speaks only "Aviation English":

In this day and age we shouldn't have too.....

[RoyHudd]

African Horror story.

It must be terrible to attempt to work as a professional pilot or ATC person in Nigeria, or almost anywhere in Africa. I understand this well, having been a resident on 126.9 for years, dodging other traffic while they dodged us. Conditions, training, standards, pay are all lamentably poor. And remain so.The culture of aviation is primitive, which is not at all the same to say as to criticize the good people who work in the industry. ATC could be good, if the money earned was not swallowed up by the greedy people at the top. Same for flying, or aircraft maintenance. Or airport facilities, like runways and lighting.

Blame the corrupt management, and corrupt governments, each and every .... time.

And please, dav99sod, no more deluded comparisons with US flight safety. Utter and idiotic nonsense, prejudiced in favour of the poor Africans. Does no favours. The 2 environments are not comparable, statistically or practically. The guys need help.

[punkalouver]

Originally Posted by Witraz

For 'armada' with reference to the Nationair DC8 in Jeddah, there was a lot more behind the crew defferring the bald tyres.......locked stores, couldn't find key, heavy penalties being incurred for delays....pressure, pressure and more pressure on the crew to take the aircraft.
RIP to all

Going from memory of reading that report, it wasn't bald tires but low pressure tires that was the problem. This makes them heat up faster during taxi and I believe it was a long taxi to the runway and hot out as well. Apparantly unlike cars, airliner tires can have quite low pressure and still appear normal.

[LongJohnThomas]

I think you all should take a few minutes to look into the African Aviation forums.
I don't think the aviation workers in Nigeria really have a choice.
Its a country who's government has the populace oppressed!
A lot of the professionals in Nigeria know whats right and surely would like things run at levels comparable to anywhere else worldwide.
The problems are entirely from the top of government and those currently running the aviation sector in the country.
It still remains the one country i know that has first officers with 7000 hours of which 4-5000 are time on large jets, 45 year olds and are not captains because they are competently incapable, but the older generation cannot bear to see the younger ones as commanders.
The oppression is more than the eye can see! The younger generation IS up to speed with the rest of the world, but will NEVER get the chance to run things the way they should be.
All said, it's sad, unfortunate, true and utterly disgusting!
Once again, my condolences to those departed. May the lord grant them eternal rest.

[Rani]

So what is the latest on the investigation, and how long does it take the NTSB usually to decipher, analyze, and publish initial reports? The FDR/VDRs are in excellent condition and they were flown to Washington 3 days ago.

[MungoP]

Rani...
I take it that that's not a serious question... the accident only took place 8 days ago ! How long does it take in Europe or the US to come up with even the initial findings ? Just because you may think you have the answer... that's not the way it's done... several hundred possiblities have firstly to be proved not to have had any effect on the accident...

[Rani]

Read my question again, and please be objective. I posed a simple question (as I am not an expert in the issue of air accident investigations). I do not claim to have any answers...Instead I am seeking them.

[LongJohnThomas]

Well, if the data was only flown out of nigeria 3 days ago, i take it that it reached the U.S. on friday.
And i would think it would take a whole lot longer to make even the slightest speculation as to the cause of the accident.
Mungo P, i totally agree with you mate.

[hobie]

Rani .... have a look through AAIB's October 2006 Bulletin and download/read through some of the reports listed ..... it will give you some idea of typical time scales and complexity of investigations ....

http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/publicati...tober_2006.cfm