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Old 15th Sep 2006, 09:32
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Unhappy BA's AOC under threat

I have just heard a rumour that the UK CAA has placed BA under scrutiny due the the fact that they are running with a near minimum number of LAME's.
A source in BA quality tells me that they are having over 40 stamps (effectively a persons right to sign for an aircraft) handed back every month due to people leaving.
Seems to be a sorry state of affairs for what was once "the worlds favorite airline".
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If You beleive that You will believe anything! BA owns the CAA.
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Strange. If BA own the CAA then why did they instruct the CAA to threaten to withdraw their own AOC about three years ago? PondLifeMans observations would certainly tie in with an increase in ADDs on the aircraft.
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Never heard anything so ridiculous in all my days Matkat. Pompous arrogance is not a nice trait.
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You can only beat a dog so many times until one day it bites back.

The trickle is becoming a flood...............

Is BA concerned ?? probably not as the underlying aim is to shed more staff.
Easy answer is to sign up to a complete care package with whatever aircraft manufacturer delivers the next batch of aircraft that BA order. Tricky bit is if too many Licensed Engineers leave before then.............
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This will never happen. BA have faced this before and their simple, CAA endorsed solution was the creation of 'in-house' qualifications such as the RMA/BMA. Same thing will just happen again. They don't want LAME's, they want in-house qualifications that only mean anything within that company, pay rates dedendent on that internal qualification, hence stopping the chance of them leaving.
It's a nice thought, but lets be honest, the CAA would not say boo to BA.
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BA Engineering (don't know about Flight Ops) seem to have the CAA well "under control" via the Heathrow CAA Regional office. Have seen it first hand on one occasion and heard of numerous other occasions from reliable sources. Somehow BA seem to get away with things that other smaller carriers never would. Its fact.
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People who arrogantly assert "its fact" at the end of a jumble of rumour, hearsay and my mates mate thoroughly hack me off. NOT top man
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Sounds like a bit of a wind up to me....
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Old 15th Sep 2006, 16:05
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BA are outting many good engineers in recent times for one reason or another, the remaining engineers will get more workload and stress, I wonder what will drive a turn around in this trend
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Maybe a slight exaggeration to say BA 'own' the CAA, but no denying they have been, and continue to be, willing, mature bed-fellows Who said post-menopausal love was dead?
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Originally Posted by PondLifeMan
I have just heard a rumour that the UK CAA has placed BA under scrutiny due the the fact that they are running with a near minimum number of LAME's.
PLM
That probably explains the reasoning behind the U-Turn over the voluntary severance packages at LGW. Nearly 20(that I know of) B1 licenced engineers who were told they could leave, now won't get a penny. B2 licenced guys were never even allowed to apply. What a caring company.

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Has everyone at BA converted their licences? theres not long till the 28th or will the CAA give them 'special' treatment?
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Old 16th Sep 2006, 02:15
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It's ridiculous, all BA want now is to get rid of the dedicated professional hardworking staff that made it great.

Everything is cut back to the bare minimum,morale is dire while we see the share price climb.....

All the frontline staffs concerns fall on completely deaf ears while mindless costcutting and arrogance is the way forward.

It's a crying shame, as many great people have left, and many more set to leave - they want to get a grip , as the rot will set in very fast..............
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I wonder what would happen if BA were to have a nasty accident and the blame couldn't be reasonably placed on the operating crew ..?
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Originally Posted by aunt Mary
Has everyone at BA converted their licences? theres not long till the 28th or will the CAA give them 'special' treatment?
It's not up to the CAA, in fact they don't have the authority to, it is up to EASA.

If you are in the ALAE there is an article in there and it talks about extension of the deadline.

I have heard that 95% of Spanish Engineers have not converted so something will have to happen.

It's not exactly difficult to convert a BCAR to a part 66, so I can't see that as an excuse.

Hardly surprising though having read the way they (LAE's) have/are being treated by the self proclaimed worlds favourite.
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Your right, it's not difficult to convert, it's just the length of time while the CAA take to process the application thats the problem.
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Old 16th Sep 2006, 07:25
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I wonder what would happen if BA were to have a nasty accident and the blame couldn't be reasonably placed on the operating crew ..?
The newly created Aircraft Maintenance Supervisor (AMS) fits the bill quite nicely for that situation.
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Got mine in less that 10 days.
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As ever BA know the cost of everything....................but absolutely nothing about the VALUE of something.

AMS role has been created especially to allow finger pointing by BA in the event of an Incident/Accident .
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