Why does everyone get at ryanair and easyjet
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Why does everyone get at ryanair and easyjet
why o why does everyone get at ryanair, easyjet etc etc?? is it just me or are they not the only companies doing well at the minute, i mean they are advertising job vacancies!! and wots more, it makes me most angry that ba can get away with holding on to slots at such places as gatwick and heathrow when the likes of easyjet want to take them over, bloody well let them!! if BA is suspending 8 gatwick services in europe, let easyjet take them over, ok so u will have to pay for your dinks on board, but it might just save you some money!! long live easyjet! 
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So who is 'having a go' at easyJet then?
They aren't the idiots charging people for the privilege of having their CV read. Now - you don't have to look too far to see why there are a lot of people who are unhappy with RyanAir at the moment. It's nice to see you routing for our ol' pal Stelios :o but he is quite capable of allowing the media to watch and televise the inadequacies of the company and still look like the loveable court jester :o :o
In other words, he doesn't need you or us to do it for him
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Mode 7 a bit harsh mate. I work for BA and regardless of the fine print I believe that the company dumped the Belfast Heathrow srvice more as a gesture than anything else. Clearly some other services have gone because we could not make them pay...under our existing cost base...but that is another story.
I don't blame any of the low cost carriers bidding for the slots....use it or lose it is a good principal to work to in my opinion.
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I don't blame any of the low cost carriers bidding for the slots....use it or lose it is a good principal to work to in my opinion.
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Niaga Dessip - something in that. Speaking as a PAX, I like easyJet. I am aware of it's shortcomings, as much as I am of those of BA or VS.
I have to say that Ryan are one of the few airlines that managed to irritate the heck out of me. Without the whole lot, one of their tricks was to bring the departure time forward without changing the information on their web-site and with no e-mail to those that had booked on line.
I made the flight only because I was particularly early and they blamed me for not knowing that they had changed the time ...
Ryan were off my list even before I read about them in these hallowed pages.
I have to say that Ryan are one of the few airlines that managed to irritate the heck out of me. Without the whole lot, one of their tricks was to bring the departure time forward without changing the information on their web-site and with no e-mail to those that had booked on line.
I made the flight only because I was particularly early and they blamed me for not knowing that they had changed the time ...
Ryan were off my list even before I read about them in these hallowed pages.
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ok mode 7! then tell me why when ba were at belfast did they not let ryanair into belfast???
as o'leary says why did ba not drop prices like low cost airlines instead of grounding planes? and yet ba are the ones who just campagned to save their slots when they are not even goin to fly them!!!!
as o'leary says why did ba not drop prices like low cost airlines instead of grounding planes? and yet ba are the ones who just campagned to save their slots when they are not even goin to fly them!!!!
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<<as o'leary says why did ba not drop prices like low cost airlines instead of grounding planes?>>
Because BA's overheads would mean that we would be losing more money than they already were on those routes. Overheads at BA were a big issue before 11th September.
However, before we all get too carried away you cannot convince me that Ryanair, Easyjet etc. can make money selling tickets for some of the ludicrous prices that we have all seen bandied about just recently.
Good luck to them in operating they way they do. They employ many of my friends and I would not wish them to go bust but I would not be betting large amounts of money that either of them will be around in 5 years time.
I hope I am wrong.
Because BA's overheads would mean that we would be losing more money than they already were on those routes. Overheads at BA were a big issue before 11th September.
However, before we all get too carried away you cannot convince me that Ryanair, Easyjet etc. can make money selling tickets for some of the ludicrous prices that we have all seen bandied about just recently.
Good luck to them in operating they way they do. They employ many of my friends and I would not wish them to go bust but I would not be betting large amounts of money that either of them will be around in 5 years time.
I hope I am wrong.
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I agree that the overwhelming majority of posts about low cost airlines here are negative, certainly the impression I get.
I am a huge fan of easy, Ryan and Go (charging for reading CVs notwithstanding...but I bet they get a lot of crap to sift through and the £50 is more of a filtering process than a genuine revenue-raiser). They give people what they want, and in the short/medium airline business that means a seat at the cheapest price. Agreed the £5 fares don't make money but that's not every seat (4 per a/c more like), so if you call and the cheapest one-way that's available is still only £39 or £59 each way, it's still tonnes better than BA or BD (whose £99 "offers" evaporate as fast as the £5 offers at easy/Go/Ryan: £5 at e/G/R = £99 at BA/BD, £39 at e/G/R = £189 at BA/BD, £99 at e/G/R = £459.80 at BA/BD). All my flights with low cost airlines have arrived within 30 mins of schedule, which is the only other factor (other than ££) that matters.
I used to think the advantage of paying £300 to Europe on a mainline carrier was industry clout, ie accepting odd-size cargo (guitars in my case), accomodation due to canx etc but I had a problem with my Portugese visa (I'm an Oz) and Go put me through to the Portugese embassy from their ticket desk and were very knowledgable about a fairly complex situation, which was probably more help than I would have expected if I was flying Business Class on, say, Luftansa. And in fact easy and JEA/BEA have both gone above and beyond to accomodate musical instruments (and an antique gramophone, once).
In my experience low cost airlines do exactly the same as mainline airlines except the meal (and you can still buy one onboard if you are feeling snacktacular), at a much lower price and should be supported by the industry the way they already are by any passenger who is (a) paying for their own ticket or (b) has their fare paid by a company that allows employees to fly with a certain airline regardless of the cost, so said employee can rack up points to take the family to Florida. If easy had a FF scheme which built points for Virgin flights to the likes of MCO and SFO, BA's European network would close in a week - I'm convinced it's supported only by the staggeringly high £600 to Vienna / £900 to Athens Club Europe fares, paid by FF card-yielding business travellers whose employers don't have a strict travel policy).
Give em the slots and let em make money.
I am a huge fan of easy, Ryan and Go (charging for reading CVs notwithstanding...but I bet they get a lot of crap to sift through and the £50 is more of a filtering process than a genuine revenue-raiser). They give people what they want, and in the short/medium airline business that means a seat at the cheapest price. Agreed the £5 fares don't make money but that's not every seat (4 per a/c more like), so if you call and the cheapest one-way that's available is still only £39 or £59 each way, it's still tonnes better than BA or BD (whose £99 "offers" evaporate as fast as the £5 offers at easy/Go/Ryan: £5 at e/G/R = £99 at BA/BD, £39 at e/G/R = £189 at BA/BD, £99 at e/G/R = £459.80 at BA/BD). All my flights with low cost airlines have arrived within 30 mins of schedule, which is the only other factor (other than ££) that matters.
I used to think the advantage of paying £300 to Europe on a mainline carrier was industry clout, ie accepting odd-size cargo (guitars in my case), accomodation due to canx etc but I had a problem with my Portugese visa (I'm an Oz) and Go put me through to the Portugese embassy from their ticket desk and were very knowledgable about a fairly complex situation, which was probably more help than I would have expected if I was flying Business Class on, say, Luftansa. And in fact easy and JEA/BEA have both gone above and beyond to accomodate musical instruments (and an antique gramophone, once).
In my experience low cost airlines do exactly the same as mainline airlines except the meal (and you can still buy one onboard if you are feeling snacktacular), at a much lower price and should be supported by the industry the way they already are by any passenger who is (a) paying for their own ticket or (b) has their fare paid by a company that allows employees to fly with a certain airline regardless of the cost, so said employee can rack up points to take the family to Florida. If easy had a FF scheme which built points for Virgin flights to the likes of MCO and SFO, BA's European network would close in a week - I'm convinced it's supported only by the staggeringly high £600 to Vienna / £900 to Athens Club Europe fares, paid by FF card-yielding business travellers whose employers don't have a strict travel policy).
Give em the slots and let em make money.
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Nobody would have a problem with Ryanair were it not for their motor mouth boss, and the fact that his arrogance seems to have rubbed off on some (not all, but some) of his staff.
Lately though I can see a change happening, as FR's management have begun eating their own young. Realisation is dawning on many. Sadly the monster is now out of control.
As for GO and easy...I have absolutely no probs with them, and I hope GO wipes the smug grin of O'Learys face on the DUB-EDI route.
So that proves I don't have a grudge against 'low cost carriers' per se.
Lately though I can see a change happening, as FR's management have begun eating their own young. Realisation is dawning on many. Sadly the monster is now out of control.
As for GO and easy...I have absolutely no probs with them, and I hope GO wipes the smug grin of O'Learys face on the DUB-EDI route.
So that proves I don't have a grudge against 'low cost carriers' per se.
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M Mouse - the more relevant question is will BA be around in 5 years time, and if it is will it resemble anything like we see now.
My guess is 'yes' to the first bit but 'no' to the second, as I think the remnants will be a long haul operation with a hugely trimmed down short haul presence.
For the record, eJ aren't losing money on BFS.
[ 29 October 2001: Message edited by: Gypsy ]
My guess is 'yes' to the first bit but 'no' to the second, as I think the remnants will be a long haul operation with a hugely trimmed down short haul presence.
For the record, eJ aren't losing money on BFS.
[ 29 October 2001: Message edited by: Gypsy ]
Controversial, moi?
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Can't argue with that. Your guess is similar to mine. I was about to return to LH from SH so as a fairly junior Captain on a SH fleet I can assure you I personally am not exactly feeling secure!
One other point let us never forget that whatever the company or the reasons for its demise, it causes untold misery for those that lose their job.
[ 29 October 2001: Message edited by: M.Mouse ]
Can't argue with that. Your guess is similar to mine. I was about to return to LH from SH so as a fairly junior Captain on a SH fleet I can assure you I personally am not exactly feeling secure!
One other point let us never forget that whatever the company or the reasons for its demise, it causes untold misery for those that lose their job.
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in my opinion i feel that easyjet etc have already won the battle! the comment about ba being different in 5 years is very true. i can c them having a very basic domestic market, easyjet will be the overall winner above ryanair, i just feel it is advertised in a better way. why would ppl pay over the odds for a flight to london from belfast with bmi or brit euro when easyjet gives just as good a service, lets be honest who eats the meals anyway.
i guess the only light at the end of the tunnel for ba etc is that they offer ease of connectig flights, eg flying from bfs to jfk bags would only have to be checked in once, and if flights are delayed tickets are transfareable, but hey... if its point to point you want! go orange
i guess the only light at the end of the tunnel for ba etc is that they offer ease of connectig flights, eg flying from bfs to jfk bags would only have to be checked in once, and if flights are delayed tickets are transfareable, but hey... if its point to point you want! go orange
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If ryan & Easy did'nt spend so much time and money atacking everyone else in the same industry to get pax, I for one would be more pro low cost. I quite often have seats cheaper than both. But, I don't market them in a "Are Easyjet Charging you too much!" kind of way 
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You can't compare EZ or Ryan to BA because you're not looking at apples to apples. BA is a full service carrier and therefore their overhead is much higher (as is the expectation of SOME of their passengers).
EZ and Ryan are copying the Southwest phenomenon. No one would argue that originally, Southwest's passengers chose to fly instead of riding a Greyhound bus (for about the same price). Over the years, SWA has "educated" these passengers to expect very little for a cheap ticket (nothing wrong with that!). Meanwhile the full service carriers are somewhat trapped because, as the low fare folks grow, they take away discretionary pax. This, in effect, makes their overhead even higher. Almost Catch 22.
Let's face it flying's not the "luxury" it used to be (is anything?).
It's crazy to assume upstart/copycat/whatever carriers are going away because the EU market has plenty of additional growth and will continue to draw even more pax off busses and trains. The real problem will be when these CEO's drop the SWA business model and try to imitate/replace BA or the like.
There's enough room for both styles to exist.
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EZ and Ryan are copying the Southwest phenomenon. No one would argue that originally, Southwest's passengers chose to fly instead of riding a Greyhound bus (for about the same price). Over the years, SWA has "educated" these passengers to expect very little for a cheap ticket (nothing wrong with that!). Meanwhile the full service carriers are somewhat trapped because, as the low fare folks grow, they take away discretionary pax. This, in effect, makes their overhead even higher. Almost Catch 22.
Let's face it flying's not the "luxury" it used to be (is anything?).
It's crazy to assume upstart/copycat/whatever carriers are going away because the EU market has plenty of additional growth and will continue to draw even more pax off busses and trains. The real problem will be when these CEO's drop the SWA business model and try to imitate/replace BA or the like.
There's enough room for both styles to exist.
Be proud of whoever you fly for!
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1.People are getting at ryanair because of there ridiculous so called "processing costs" e.g.making a quick buck.
2.His comments about the aer lingus employees.
No one is having a go at easyjet unless you are!
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2.His comments about the aer lingus employees.
No one is having a go at easyjet unless you are!
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In all of this let us not forget to pay respects to Sir Freddie Laker who started long haul low cost and gave the cue for FR to start, who allowed EZY to start who allowed GO to start and then Buzz ...
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If BA had not spent so much time and money attacking VS to get their pax, I for one would be more pro BA.
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If ryan & Easy did'nt spend so much time and money atacking everyone else in the same industry to get pax, I for one would be more pro low cost.
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Why do people get at Ryanair?
1)£50 to view a CV!
2)£150 a sim ride
3)£15000 for a 737 rating
4)£6500 basic a year
5)Half sector pay year 1 and 3/4 year two (Full sector pay approx £20,000 Irish a year)
6)Placing people where they dont want to be and cutting their salary since its cheaper to live there.
Any more stupid questions!!!!
1)£50 to view a CV!
2)£150 a sim ride
3)£15000 for a 737 rating
4)£6500 basic a year
5)Half sector pay year 1 and 3/4 year two (Full sector pay approx £20,000 Irish a year)
6)Placing people where they dont want to be and cutting their salary since its cheaper to live there.
Any more stupid questions!!!!