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Originally Posted by Doug the Head
Indeed, very good for the FUA crew, at least they have a few priorities straight!
The meaning of "quality of life" is something that very few in the UK will ever understand.
Brits can be just as superficial as Americans when it comes to money and will bend over backwards for a few extra quid: sell back leave days, fly 900 hours/year with 20 minute turn arounds and eat disgusting greasy crew meals after the crew have done their service.
The meaning of "quality of life" is something that very few in the UK will ever understand.
Brits can be just as superficial as Americans when it comes to money and will bend over backwards for a few extra quid: sell back leave days, fly 900 hours/year with 20 minute turn arounds and eat disgusting greasy crew meals after the crew have done their service.
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What kind of job a cc does?
the cabin crew has to work in a good conditions in all the carriers. In most of loco they have no crew meals, bad salaries, job for just a few months,... they have to figth for their rights and keep the privileges, if they have some of them...
What will be the next thing that carriers will order to their cc to do after cleaning?, singing?, dancing?
Good for FUA cc!!
What will be the next thing that carriers will order to their cc to do after cleaning?, singing?, dancing?
Good for FUA cc!!
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Jet2 : it's not the cabin crew job to clean the cabin. Well,maybe in some LCC is,so I'm not amazed there is a crew shortage on those lcc.
The most important aspect of the cabin crew job is the safety of the pax,not their comfort.They're not your mommy to tuck you onto sleep,more likely your chief sarge who'll take you out alive from danger.
If they're nice with you,consider it a plus.
I personally dislike the politics of some lcc to put the cabin crew to clean the cabin,after doing their job in the air.If you think they have a easy job,try it for a month or so.
Next,we'll put the pilots to check tyre pressure,and change the oil.
And I doubt the money saved by cleaning the cabin goes into cabin crew pockets.
The most important aspect of the cabin crew job is the safety of the pax,not their comfort.They're not your mommy to tuck you onto sleep,more likely your chief sarge who'll take you out alive from danger.
If they're nice with you,consider it a plus.
I personally dislike the politics of some lcc to put the cabin crew to clean the cabin,after doing their job in the air.If you think they have a easy job,try it for a month or so.
Next,we'll put the pilots to check tyre pressure,and change the oil.
And I doubt the money saved by cleaning the cabin goes into cabin crew pockets.
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Ponsi,
You're trying to imagine where I work? I'll tell you; I work in the real world of 2006, where the all businesses - and the people who work for them - must constantly seek and implement new ways of working which are more efficient, or cease to exist.
Generally speaking airlines have rarely made money, and when they have it hasn't lasted for long. This situation is unsustainable, and the low-cost model, properly implemented, offers a way forward. It may - or may not - make good business sense for the cabin crew to clean the cabin. But statements like "it's not the cabin crew's job to clean the cabin" have no place in any modern business. There was a time when it was "not the pilot's job to advance the throttles", and there was even a time when it was "not the car driver's job to look out for pedestrians", because this function was performed by the person who walked in front of the car with a red flag.
You're trying to imagine where I work? I'll tell you; I work in the real world of 2006, where the all businesses - and the people who work for them - must constantly seek and implement new ways of working which are more efficient, or cease to exist.
Generally speaking airlines have rarely made money, and when they have it hasn't lasted for long. This situation is unsustainable, and the low-cost model, properly implemented, offers a way forward. It may - or may not - make good business sense for the cabin crew to clean the cabin. But statements like "it's not the cabin crew's job to clean the cabin" have no place in any modern business. There was a time when it was "not the pilot's job to advance the throttles", and there was even a time when it was "not the car driver's job to look out for pedestrians", because this function was performed by the person who walked in front of the car with a red flag.
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Ponsi,
Don´t worry about it mate.
Generally speaking nature will sort out people like that: no hobbies, no friends (sorry, OM-A/B/C/E do not count as friends), no wife, no kids and a heart attack by the time they´re 50.
All in the holy name of Low Cost!
Don´t worry about it mate.
Generally speaking nature will sort out people like that: no hobbies, no friends (sorry, OM-A/B/C/E do not count as friends), no wife, no kids and a heart attack by the time they´re 50.
All in the holy name of Low Cost!
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Doug the Head,
You (literally) couldn't be more wrong on all six counts, Doug. And I've got nothing to do with Low Cost.
Get real or stop posting about serious issues on Pprune.
Generally speaking nature will sort out people like that: no hobbies, no friends (sorry, OM-A/B/C/E do not count as friends), no wife, no kids and a heart attack by the time they´re 50.
All in the holy name of Low Cost!
All in the holy name of Low Cost!
Get real or stop posting about serious issues on Pprune.
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And I've got nothing to do with Low Cost.
Good night! 
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Originally Posted by alexban
Jet2 : it's not the cabin crew job to clean the cabin. Well,maybe in some LCC is,so I'm not amazed there is a crew shortage on those lcc.
The most important aspect of the cabin crew job is the safety of the pax,not their comfort.They're not your mommy to tuck you onto sleep,more likely your chief sarge who'll take you out alive from danger.
If they're nice with you,consider it a plus.
I personally dislike the politics of some lcc to put the cabin crew to clean the cabin,after doing their job in the air.If you think they have a easy job,try it for a month or so.
Next,we'll put the pilots to check tyre pressure,and change the oil.
And I doubt the money saved by cleaning the cabin goes into cabin crew pockets.
The most important aspect of the cabin crew job is the safety of the pax,not their comfort.They're not your mommy to tuck you onto sleep,more likely your chief sarge who'll take you out alive from danger.
If they're nice with you,consider it a plus.
I personally dislike the politics of some lcc to put the cabin crew to clean the cabin,after doing their job in the air.If you think they have a easy job,try it for a month or so.
Next,we'll put the pilots to check tyre pressure,and change the oil.
And I doubt the money saved by cleaning the cabin goes into cabin crew pockets.
yes a cc is passenger safety that is normall but its a CUSTOMER SERVICE JOB as cabin crew you are the face of the airline you have to look after them without them you have no job. We all no that when pax enter the aircraft something happens to them and they lose common sense and some you have to mother them. Its about time some cabin crew start to realise this.
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Dear Thunderball2,
definitelly you work in a low cost carrier and if you are a pilot you´ll be the one who carry pax luggage one of these days...
So, we have to think in a real world..., come on to think about the people with no job in a few years if crews make everyting...cleaning, catering, ops, fueling, handling people will apreciate your McGiver´s cooperation.
Have a good night! 
definitelly you work in a low cost carrier and if you are a pilot you´ll be the one who carry pax luggage one of these days...
So, we have to think in a real world..., come on to think about the people with no job in a few years if crews make everyting...cleaning, catering, ops, fueling, handling people will apreciate your McGiver´s cooperation.
Have a good night!
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Thunderball,you've actually counted my words?..Damn,you must be some wise beancounter,cause I've tried to check if you're right,but I gave up.
Do you think the cc have the same effectivenes while cleaning as the cleaning people? Do the cc have a vaccum cleaner,or do they just pick papers,or bigger garbage stuff? Are the cc faster than the cleaning people?
Do you think maybe we should also wash the plane while at base,just to get rid of some useless ground workers?
The real world is actually not going that way...Maybe for some lCC,but you'll be surprised to note that other LCC decided it's more effective to use specialized people for this job.
You know,the comunists promovated an ideea of the multilateral people,which was a man,or woman,skilled on many jobs at the same time.The history proved it wrong.
You may be a skilled pilot but a lousy carpet cleaner
Do you think the cc have the same effectivenes while cleaning as the cleaning people? Do the cc have a vaccum cleaner,or do they just pick papers,or bigger garbage stuff? Are the cc faster than the cleaning people?
Do you think maybe we should also wash the plane while at base,just to get rid of some useless ground workers?
The real world is actually not going that way...Maybe for some lCC,but you'll be surprised to note that other LCC decided it's more effective to use specialized people for this job.
You know,the comunists promovated an ideea of the multilateral people,which was a man,or woman,skilled on many jobs at the same time.The history proved it wrong.
You may be a skilled pilot but a lousy carpet cleaner
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Alexban
Okay, but this is positively my last post on this thread:
- Highlight and copy the text (3 seconds)
- Open a Word document and paste the copied text into it (3 seconds)
- Go to "Tools", and then "Word Count" (2 seconds)
- You will then get a display of statistics relating to that text. This shows that your last post contains 146 words and 721 characters.
So 8 seconds in all, and that is the sum total of my time that I'm prepared to spend on this or any other post of yours.
PS: I'm not a Secretary or a "Beancounter" by training, but I learned to use Word in order to be able to "Multitask". You'll find that it is necessary in business today for people to look beyond the old job descriptions and perform a variety of different tasks if they are to be cost-effective. Another example of this might be Cabin Crew cleaning the cabin on an aircraft, for example.
Okay, but this is positively my last post on this thread:
- Highlight and copy the text (3 seconds)
- Open a Word document and paste the copied text into it (3 seconds)
- Go to "Tools", and then "Word Count" (2 seconds)
- You will then get a display of statistics relating to that text. This shows that your last post contains 146 words and 721 characters.
So 8 seconds in all, and that is the sum total of my time that I'm prepared to spend on this or any other post of yours.
PS: I'm not a Secretary or a "Beancounter" by training, but I learned to use Word in order to be able to "Multitask". You'll find that it is necessary in business today for people to look beyond the old job descriptions and perform a variety of different tasks if they are to be cost-effective. Another example of this might be Cabin Crew cleaning the cabin on an aircraft, for example.
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Well done TB2
Thunderslavery,
You probably is one that thinks it is right to charge pilots for their ratings and uniforms when its a requirement to do their jobs. People like you and the ones who are narrow-minded to accept this are destroying what used to be a good profession. Good for Fua crew, in the end of the day what the managers want is somebody to do as many jobs as possible, without eating cause its a waste of time and productivity, and replace then for a fresh and even less paid one when they became tired and sick( or get a proper job).
You probably is one that thinks it is right to charge pilots for their ratings and uniforms when its a requirement to do their jobs. People like you and the ones who are narrow-minded to accept this are destroying what used to be a good profession. Good for Fua crew, in the end of the day what the managers want is somebody to do as many jobs as possible, without eating cause its a waste of time and productivity, and replace then for a fresh and even less paid one when they became tired and sick( or get a proper job).
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I have read this pathetic thread from top to bottom a few times now. I am not a bean counter, management, cc, but a a common sensical pilot....I hope. The whole face of our industry has been changing for many years now.........even if some of you cannot see that. Yes cc should clean the cabin and YES pilots, if they have the time on a short turn around, SHOULD HELP them. Atleast this is what I try to do. The low cost model is something that not all LOCO's can sustain which is why the EDUCATED ones amogst us, CC, PILOTS etc etc should do ALL they can to ensure we all remain employed!
TB2 well said!
TB2 well said!
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well,this is becoming a common thread met here on pprune,the permanent conflict between unexperienced pilots,who will do EVERYTHING to get a job,even pay for it,and the experienced ones who saw the decline of our job conditions due to flexibility of the first category.
What will happen if you won't accept to clean the cabin?..You think the lcc will go bankrupt? Or you're afraid you'll lose your job?
Apron ,how did YOU see the changing in our industry? I see you're very young,and from what you write I think you're at best a junior FO. Do your captain clean the cabin with you,during a short turn around? Maybe you'll serve some drinks at cruise,I'd be more impressed if the pilots do this for first class pax
oo,I forgot we're talking about LCC....
One more thing..usually,at turnaround,a team of 6-7 people come to clean the cabin on my 737.It takes about 10 min to make it fresh new.How fast your 3-4 ccrew,maybe tired from the sector you've just flown,manage to do that? With the same result? And before saying that they should not be so tired,I'll tell you that we serve hot meals even for 1 hr flight on the 737 ,for 130+ pax....This is how we stay in bussines,for more then 50yrs,and we are no LCC...
TB2..how many words this time,please....? I'lll send you a check..
What will happen if you won't accept to clean the cabin?..You think the lcc will go bankrupt? Or you're afraid you'll lose your job?
Apron ,how did YOU see the changing in our industry? I see you're very young,and from what you write I think you're at best a junior FO. Do your captain clean the cabin with you,during a short turn around? Maybe you'll serve some drinks at cruise,I'd be more impressed if the pilots do this for first class pax
oo,I forgot we're talking about LCC.... One more thing..usually,at turnaround,a team of 6-7 people come to clean the cabin on my 737.It takes about 10 min to make it fresh new.How fast your 3-4 ccrew,maybe tired from the sector you've just flown,manage to do that? With the same result? And before saying that they should not be so tired,I'll tell you that we serve hot meals even for 1 hr flight on the 737 ,for 130+ pax....This is how we stay in bussines,for more then 50yrs,and we are no LCC...
TB2..how many words this time,please....? I'lll send you a check..
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Appreciate your comments and support.
Alexban
About 40 posts ago I said:
I stand by what I said - no more no less.
PS: Your last post? 225 words, 1,054 characters - not including spaces.
Appreciate your comments and support.
Alexban
About 40 posts ago I said:
It may - or may not - make good business sense for the cabin crew to clean the cabin. But statements like "it's not the cabin crew's job to clean the cabin" [Alexban, 10th August] have no place in any modern business.
PS: Your last post? 225 words, 1,054 characters - not including spaces.