KLM uk moving F100 to KLM cityhopper?
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KLM uk moving F100 to KLM cityhopper?
According some KLM-rumours KLM cityhopper is going to operate F100's aside their F50's and F70's. Their is a chance that these F100's are coming from the fields of operator KLM uk.... What will be the replacement of the F100 in the UK-hangars? And what's KLM's policy regarding KLM cityhopper flight into the UK?
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The UK routes nearly all need larger aircraft but to switch type would be a major upheaval for KLM UK and that is the most likely source of aircraft if they need to re-allocate the Fokkers..
It is a problem they will have to address in some form as there is no growth in the Fokker.
Is switching to say a 737 operation for KLMUK an easy option?
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It is a problem they will have to address in some form as there is no growth in the Fokker.
Is switching to say a 737 operation for KLMUK an easy option?
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KLMUK are about to order up to 15 new 320 aircraft with options on 5 more, and will be operating into europe and the med by next summer schedule.
the F100s are to be scrapped as the keep breaking down, airbus has refused to take them as traders
One Dutch buisnessman wants to buy the lot. so he can cut off the wings, fit a vw aircooled engine and some wheels, and fit them out as mobile hamburger stalls!
the F100s are to be scrapped as the keep breaking down, airbus has refused to take them as traders
One Dutch buisnessman wants to buy the lot. so he can cut off the wings, fit a vw aircooled engine and some wheels, and fit them out as mobile hamburger stalls!
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<<<One Dutch buisnessman wants to buy the lot. so he can cut off the wings, fit a vw aircooled engine and some wheels, and fit them out as mobile hamburger stalls! >>>
He could do that with the 146. It would use less oil for cooking hamburgers than it burns keeping the engines turning.
On a serious note is the transition from driving an F100 to a A320 much of a step?
Several weeks training?
He could do that with the 146. It would use less oil for cooking hamburgers than it burns keeping the engines turning.
On a serious note is the transition from driving an F100 to a A320 much of a step?
Several weeks training?
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Like several other regional airports, KLM UK use the F50 from us to go to 4 times a day, and the aircraft is usually heaving full every time. Occasionally, usually for a two week period, the F50 is replaced by the F100, once word gets around a jet is operating, pax nuumbers go up and the aircraft operates to 80% capacity.
Many of our passengers are interlining onward from Amsterdam, and have lots of luggage etc, so a larger aircraft would be welcome. That said, now that the F50s have virtually paid for themselves, I wonder if KLM UK/ City Hopper would be interested in investing in new larger aircraft on such routes, or whether they'd keep them at Stansted etc, or even chop the regional airport routes entirely. That said, at least one operator of orange 737s has said they would step in on our EHAM routes if KLM ever relinquished them, but the passengers then dont have guarenteed interlining.
I assume other operators would stepin at GLA/EDI if this happened, or is there existing competition?
Many of our passengers are interlining onward from Amsterdam, and have lots of luggage etc, so a larger aircraft would be welcome. That said, now that the F50s have virtually paid for themselves, I wonder if KLM UK/ City Hopper would be interested in investing in new larger aircraft on such routes, or whether they'd keep them at Stansted etc, or even chop the regional airport routes entirely. That said, at least one operator of orange 737s has said they would step in on our EHAM routes if KLM ever relinquished them, but the passengers then dont have guarenteed interlining.
I assume other operators would stepin at GLA/EDI if this happened, or is there existing competition?
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I can see KLMuk being absorbed into Cityhopper along with the F100 fleet, Buzz will become a seperate company with the 146's. The original Air UK seniority will be split according to fleets .......
Why have KLMuk and Cityhopper, when Cityhopper already do several UK routes, it will be good news for the F100 crew eventually having right of transfer into KLM mainline.
Totz zeins & Danku !
Why have KLMuk and Cityhopper, when Cityhopper already do several UK routes, it will be good news for the F100 crew eventually having right of transfer into KLM mainline.
Totz zeins & Danku !
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Can't see klm uk axing either GLA or EDI to AMS as suggested by 1261. High load factors and major feed into AMS KL/NW Intercontinental system work against this. Might only happen if NW/KL partnership fell apart and that at the moment has as much chance as Frank Lorenzo joining ALPA.
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With buzz doing so badly at Stansted (even KLM have admitted this) the F100's may just be replaced by "future is yellow" 146's. This gives a nice capacity increase, compared to a near doubling of capacity if the Fokker100's were replaced by an A320.
Towards the back end of the winter schedule one Buzz 146 operated on UK routes.
It would make sense financially to move KLMuk to Amsterdam, basing the fleet and pilots there (slots allowing) as this would cut nightstop costs considerably.
As for the F100 operations, perhaps a new 'low cost' (KLM LOWCOST NOT!) operation from RTM might like a few
Towards the back end of the winter schedule one Buzz 146 operated on UK routes.
It would make sense financially to move KLMuk to Amsterdam, basing the fleet and pilots there (slots allowing) as this would cut nightstop costs considerably.
As for the F100 operations, perhaps a new 'low cost' (KLM LOWCOST NOT!) operation from RTM might like a few
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'it will be good news for the F100 crew eventually having right of transfer into KLM mainline.'
Tempo etc.- Which planet are you living on?
KLMuk is a UK airline not Dutch, the majority of us have NO interest in being based in Holland, if we wanted to join a foreign airline, we would have done it years ago. The day I get based at AMS will be the day they receive my resignation!
Tempo etc.- Which planet are you living on?
KLMuk is a UK airline not Dutch, the majority of us have NO interest in being based in Holland, if we wanted to join a foreign airline, we would have done it years ago. The day I get based at AMS will be the day they receive my resignation!
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I'm curious as to why Buzz is doing so awfully from STN. The airlines route network is virtually unqiue from the airport, and serves some of Europe's top business and leisure destinations at seemingly rock-bottom prices.
Buzz doesn't really operate in direct competition with GO or Ryanair. This is because, on the majority of Buzz's routes, the carrier is the only operator. Hence, I am, once again, surprised that Buzz is unperforming.
I am perplexed as to why this carrier is doing so dreadfully. Could someone tell me why?
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Buzz doesn't really operate in direct competition with GO or Ryanair. This is because, on the majority of Buzz's routes, the carrier is the only operator. Hence, I am, once again, surprised that Buzz is unperforming.
I am perplexed as to why this carrier is doing so dreadfully. Could someone tell me why?
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Just to squash any incorrect rumours, but buzz is doing fine! No we are not making a profit yet but we are performing to budget and as anticipated are expecting to make a profit in year 3 (exactly as GO). Just need bigger aircraft and some feed back from our management as to our 5 yr plan (5 minutes would be better than nothing)!! 
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... which means that Buzz will be reducing their flying this winter.
Great idea, as the low cost airlines make no money in winter... witnessed by the easyJet losses.
717 would make sense. KLMuk and Buzz could operate the same aircraft in a different colour scheme!
All they need is an aircraft to operate into LCY!
Great idea, as the low cost airlines make no money in winter... witnessed by the easyJet losses.
717 would make sense. KLMuk and Buzz could operate the same aircraft in a different colour scheme!
All they need is an aircraft to operate into LCY!
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KLM Cityhopper has indeed plans to expand their fleet with F100's. As they aren't being built anymore they have to get them from another airline, most probably KLMuk. They need the aircraft to take over the german feeder-routes, as from 2003 Eurowings is completely stopping all these (Lufthansa didn't like KLM walking around in their backyard, so they bought a large percentage of Eurowings...)
KLMuk pilots getting seniority with KLM/KLM Cityhopper ?? I doubt it. (and believe me, they (KLMuk pilots) DON'T want it.)
KLM and KLM Cityhopper still have a lot of difficulties regarding their combined seniority list. For a few years KLM hasn't exactly grown a lot, and now junior KLM pilots are being overtaken bij KLM Cityhopper pilots... this causes some "irritations" and I don't think they would allow more horizontal additions to their sen. list.
KLMuk pilots getting seniority with KLM/KLM Cityhopper ?? I doubt it. (and believe me, they (KLMuk pilots) DON'T want it.)
KLM and KLM Cityhopper still have a lot of difficulties regarding their combined seniority list. For a few years KLM hasn't exactly grown a lot, and now junior KLM pilots are being overtaken bij KLM Cityhopper pilots... this causes some "irritations" and I don't think they would allow more horizontal additions to their sen. list.
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KLM (and the VNV) should have thought about that when KLM bought Air UK. What they have done to that airline is an outright disgrace - no wonder the last thing that Air UK pilots want is to sit next to a KLM mainline pilot on any plane in the future.
Spent the money from the Air UK Heathrow slots yet? Did you think you got quite a good deal when you swapped six, difficult to sell (at the time) Fokker 100s for seven Air UK AOC B737-400s? Couldn't have been that bad a lease arrangement if KLM were willing to take them over.
For your information KLM UK Captains have between a minimum of 7 and 30 years of seniority so a horizontal integration would be interesting!
KLM (and the VNV) should have thought about that when KLM bought Air UK. What they have done to that airline is an outright disgrace - no wonder the last thing that Air UK pilots want is to sit next to a KLM mainline pilot on any plane in the future.
Spent the money from the Air UK Heathrow slots yet? Did you think you got quite a good deal when you swapped six, difficult to sell (at the time) Fokker 100s for seven Air UK AOC B737-400s? Couldn't have been that bad a lease arrangement if KLM were willing to take them over.
For your information KLM UK Captains have between a minimum of 7 and 30 years of seniority so a horizontal integration would be interesting!
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Wet Power,
I am aware of all this and I don't care, as I swapped the KLM/KLC F70 rightseat for one on one of mr. Boeing's aircraft...
I'm just pointing out the mess at KLM/KLC/VNV... just beware, there were a lot of high seniority captains at KLC as well, as you are so well informed, you must know what their place is in the integrated list...
I am aware of all this and I don't care, as I swapped the KLM/KLC F70 rightseat for one on one of mr. Boeing's aircraft...
I'm just pointing out the mess at KLM/KLC/VNV... just beware, there were a lot of high seniority captains at KLC as well, as you are so well informed, you must know what their place is in the integrated list...