VS tailstrike at VHHH
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The wind seems to have been very gusty at the time - it could happen to anyone really..
RE: Envelope protection systems, the computers can only do so much to protect the aircraft before mother nature thwarts its efforts. The A340-600 is very long aircraft, and like the 777-300, is very prone to these type of events
RE: Envelope protection systems, the computers can only do so much to protect the aircraft before mother nature thwarts its efforts. The A340-600 is very long aircraft, and like the 777-300, is very prone to these type of events
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Originally Posted by hetfield
To my limited knowledge most of these events are caused by wrong T/O performance calculations/flap settings.
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Of course, Hong Kong is a lovely place too isn't it? It has never had any instances of shifting winds causing severe turbulence or flight incidents has it?
It is more than likely that environmental factors played some part IMHO.
I just cannot see three or maybe four PAIRS of eyes from an operating crew making and allowing a gross error to occur easily and to not be spotted.
Let's wait see.
It is more than likely that environmental factors played some part IMHO.
I just cannot see three or maybe four PAIRS of eyes from an operating crew making and allowing a gross error to occur easily and to not be spotted.
Let's wait see.
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CLK can be a sod for windshear and all sorts of weird stuff.The windshear warning system didn't warn you of mechanical shear off the airport platform.It just warned of shear from thunderstorms etc.
Very bad place to put an airport,but HK didn't have a lot of choice.
Ex HK ATC...
Very bad place to put an airport,but HK didn't have a lot of choice.
Ex HK ATC...
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The WTWS has always included terrain induced alerts, but the integration of the LIDAR-based alerts into the WTWS now give terrain induced windshear alerts right down to the runways.
www.weather.gov.hk/publica/reprint/r566.pdf
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The WTWS has always included terrain induced alerts, but the integration of the LIDAR-based alerts into the WTWS now give terrain induced windshear alerts right down to the runways.
www.weather.gov.hk/publica/reprint/r566.pdf
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>>I just cannot see three or maybe four PAIRS of eyes from an operating crew making and allowing a gross error to occur easily and to not be spotted.<<
That's what the USAF thought too, until proved quite wrong by the recent C-5 accident at Dover AFB.
Or, for that matter, the B747 MK accident in Canada.
It's called...not paying strict attention to what you are doing.
That's what the USAF thought too, until proved quite wrong by the recent C-5 accident at Dover AFB.
Or, for that matter, the B747 MK accident in Canada.
It's called...not paying strict attention to what you are doing.
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Sorry, it's not my opinion to blame the crew involved in this particular incident. Sure, windshear could also have been a factor like many others e.g. wrong loadsheet/trim-setting etc.
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Sorry, it's not my opinion to blame the crew involved in this particular incident. Sure, windshear could also have been a factor like many others e.g. wrong loadsheet/trim-setting etc.
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e.g. wrong loadsheet/trim-setting etc.
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Originally Posted by hetfield
To my limited knowledge most of these events are caused by wrong T/O performance calculations/flap settings.
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Originally Posted by glhcarl
I thought Airbus's "envelope protection" prevented this type of incident?
Therefore on rotate the computers would be in Direct Law and the pilot can freely over-rotate as with any other aircraft.
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Generally, it depends whether the aircraft has a tail skid or not and how hard it was smashed down on to the runway. 343 and 345 does not have a tail skid, not sure if 346 does. If no tail skid then the aircraft should not be pressurized if a tail scrape has occured. If you don't return then it depends on how far you are happy to fly at 10,000ft.
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Originally Posted by Flap 5
For your info: when the aircraft is on the ground the flight control computers are in Direct Law. I seem to remember that the aircraft had to reach a radar altitude of 10 feet before the computers go in to Normal Law, with the protections that you refer to. It is 10 feet for landing when the computers go in to Direct Law.
Therefore on rotate the computers would be in Direct Law and the pilot can freely over-rotate as with any other aircraft.
Therefore on rotate the computers would be in Direct Law and the pilot can freely over-rotate as with any other aircraft.
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On the 320 the aircraft takes off in Direct law and then blends into normal law by about 150 RA. On landing the aircraft is in normal law all the way down unless system failures have caused the control laws to be degraded. In normal law the angle of attack protections only are disabled below 100RA to allow you to land. Autolands can only be conducted in normal law.
It's not normal law on landing during the final stages. At 50' the auto trim ceases and the pitch law is modified to flare law. The system memorises the attitude at 50' and this attitude becomes the reference for pitch control. As the aircraft descends through abouy 30', the system reduces the pitch attitude at a predetermined rate of 2 degrees down in 8 seconds.