Michael O'Leary - AIR-FACED CHEEK
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I know more than a dozen good friends who gave up other careers during the nineties to enter into what they believed was a profesion- at least 5 have became unemployed this past month.They gave all they had to be airline pilots.This unpleasant M.O.L. guy from Dublin makes a complete farce of what they hoped for and mocks a proud group of people. Sucsessful he may be but he wont go down in aviation history as a saint, to gloat on the misfortune of others will damm this unpleasant individual in the long term. £50 to look at a CV! - Tabloid Aviation is here if we allow this.
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I don't consider myself to be a "fat cat" businessman, but I do need to travel on business and RyanAir has proved convienient if not always cheap for short notice flights. The topics raised here and with the BBC have convinced me that I have been backing the wrong horse and I, for one, will exercise my choice and take my business elsewhere
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Having thought a bit more about this, it seems to me that things will only change if two things happen:
(1) the airline industry recovers from the aftermath of the 11th September, which I am confident it will in the fullness of time, and
(2) the airlines realise that their crew are a valuable resource, and like any other employees (or potential employees) they should not be provoked to the point where they really don't care any more if they get fired (or never get employed) by a company that is apparently blatantly trying to profiteer from their temporarily weakened position.
Would I feel confident working for a company with this appalling attitude to its flight deck crew recruitment? - I think not. Meanwhile, there are many other airlines with a more civilised approach, and some useful non-airline-based flight deck crew recruitment services online. Therefore I, for one, won't be applying to Ryanair. MOL obviously doesn't share my view of what he's doing, but it's a matter of basic principle with me, not the 50 quid. I think it's just damn cheeky, and it rankles my posterior.
(1) the airline industry recovers from the aftermath of the 11th September, which I am confident it will in the fullness of time, and
(2) the airlines realise that their crew are a valuable resource, and like any other employees (or potential employees) they should not be provoked to the point where they really don't care any more if they get fired (or never get employed) by a company that is apparently blatantly trying to profiteer from their temporarily weakened position.
Would I feel confident working for a company with this appalling attitude to its flight deck crew recruitment? - I think not. Meanwhile, there are many other airlines with a more civilised approach, and some useful non-airline-based flight deck crew recruitment services online. Therefore I, for one, won't be applying to Ryanair. MOL obviously doesn't share my view of what he's doing, but it's a matter of basic principle with me, not the 50 quid. I think it's just damn cheeky, and it rankles my posterior.
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For 1 dissatisfied customer, a company looses 10 potential customers through word of mouth.
For 1 hacked off pilot, Ryanair must be loosing 100+ potential customers
Boycott# 600-700,allowing for family, friends, colleagues, contacts, and so on.
What a silly game MOL is playing. Hes not here to satisfy us, but at least be professional about things.
For 1 hacked off pilot, Ryanair must be loosing 100+ potential customers
Boycott# 600-700,allowing for family, friends, colleagues, contacts, and so on.
What a silly game MOL is playing. Hes not here to satisfy us, but at least be professional about things.
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Just booked on EI for when I visit my family at Christmas- I for one have flown FR for the last time (until they drop this money making racket)
$50 for reading a CV $150 for a sim-ride and $15000 up front is P*** Taking of the highest order-but as I said on the other thread- It'll probobly become the industry standard because of the very nature of the game we play.
Count me in as a boycotting Passenger.
$50 for reading a CV $150 for a sim-ride and $15000 up front is P*** Taking of the highest order-but as I said on the other thread- It'll probobly become the industry standard because of the very nature of the game we play.
Count me in as a boycotting Passenger.
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Does the 15K include MCC ? MOL saw what CTC were doing at Easyjet and put 2 + 2 together. Why have CTC not got any flac over this ?
Problem now is to consider CTC v Ryanair regarding career advancement. What are the pros / cons of each ?
Problem now is to consider CTC v Ryanair regarding career advancement. What are the pros / cons of each ?
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The Guvnor;
As usual you never checked your facts, MOL's ticket to LAX was paid for by the peole who wanted him to talk at the event they were holding in the LAX area, Now..I guess if you had your way..you would prefer him to have paddled his own canoe across the pond
When you are replying to my answer..Please remember that he did not pay for his trip himself..!!!
and even if he did..who decided that you are Judge and jury about MOL and FR..?
I mus say, I have never seen a more arrogant group of "professional" people, as those on PPrune extolling their own virtues and blaming MOL on everything in the world from Bad weather to matches that wont strike when damp.
So you dont like FR and MOL..Great, dont fly with them, get all your friends to do the same....and I promise you, even then FR will still be making money unlike most "flag" carriers in Europe at the moment
Passengers are voting with their pockets, so wake up and smell the coffee..!!!!
As usual you never checked your facts, MOL's ticket to LAX was paid for by the peole who wanted him to talk at the event they were holding in the LAX area, Now..I guess if you had your way..you would prefer him to have paddled his own canoe across the pond
When you are replying to my answer..Please remember that he did not pay for his trip himself..!!!
and even if he did..who decided that you are Judge and jury about MOL and FR..?
I mus say, I have never seen a more arrogant group of "professional" people, as those on PPrune extolling their own virtues and blaming MOL on everything in the world from Bad weather to matches that wont strike when damp.
So you dont like FR and MOL..Great, dont fly with them, get all your friends to do the same....and I promise you, even then FR will still be making money unlike most "flag" carriers in Europe at the moment
Passengers are voting with their pockets, so wake up and smell the coffee..!!!!
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Flame,
Think we're gonna disagree on this one. Go back and read the start of this thread. I have nothing against MOL or FR. I just think its a serious **** take when he blasts the airline one minute, then flys on them the next. Why coulnt MOL taken one of his budget flights to LGW and then go across the pond with Virgin, BA or the many others??
"By the way, I think youre a lazy bastard who does nothing all day, and just bitches for the sake of it, grow up will ya!! For gods sake, we will we ever get any peace from you............ Can I get a lift into town off you tomorrow??" (not to be taken at face value)
Do you see my point flame?
No offence intended!
Think we're gonna disagree on this one. Go back and read the start of this thread. I have nothing against MOL or FR. I just think its a serious **** take when he blasts the airline one minute, then flys on them the next. Why coulnt MOL taken one of his budget flights to LGW and then go across the pond with Virgin, BA or the many others??
"By the way, I think youre a lazy bastard who does nothing all day, and just bitches for the sake of it, grow up will ya!! For gods sake, we will we ever get any peace from you............ Can I get a lift into town off you tomorrow??" (not to be taken at face value)
Do you see my point flame?
No offence intended!
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Yawn.........Yawn.........
What is this morbid obsession with Ryanair? You don't like them? Well don't fly them, you do have that choice, but the decision by a few whinging pilots to "boycott" flying with Ryanair will hardly cause MOL sleepless nights now will it? And if you don't want to apply to work at FR then don't, again you have the choice, but there will be plenty of pilots out there who will. Ryanair pilots work hard and get paid well for it, where is the problem with that? Or maybe you think pilots should only have to work the same low hours as the Lingus boys and girls.
Everything that MOL has stated on the ridiculous situation regarding the Government bailing out yet again, the overstuffed, overstaffed, mollycoddled Aer Lingus has been right on the money. The genius's at SIPTU just cannot come up with a reasonable answer as to why taxpayers money should be used to support a company that is patently unable to stand alone in a free competitive environment.
By the way before the insults start to fly, I am in no way connected with Ryanair or MOL, I do work at the Airport and have just had it with the continuing farce that gets played out continuously with these semi-state dinosaurs, whether it's Aer Rianta and the no to the new terminal that wouldn't cost them a penny at DUB, the apalling facilities at DUB, the SNN stopover or Aer Lingus and it's chronic inefficiency.
Any fool can make money in a buyont booming economy, it's when economic conditions turn the other way that you see who really is in the best health.
Ryanair are going nowhere, their cost base is too well controlled and their product is too attractive to consumers.
What is this morbid obsession with Ryanair? You don't like them? Well don't fly them, you do have that choice, but the decision by a few whinging pilots to "boycott" flying with Ryanair will hardly cause MOL sleepless nights now will it? And if you don't want to apply to work at FR then don't, again you have the choice, but there will be plenty of pilots out there who will. Ryanair pilots work hard and get paid well for it, where is the problem with that? Or maybe you think pilots should only have to work the same low hours as the Lingus boys and girls.
Everything that MOL has stated on the ridiculous situation regarding the Government bailing out yet again, the overstuffed, overstaffed, mollycoddled Aer Lingus has been right on the money. The genius's at SIPTU just cannot come up with a reasonable answer as to why taxpayers money should be used to support a company that is patently unable to stand alone in a free competitive environment.
By the way before the insults start to fly, I am in no way connected with Ryanair or MOL, I do work at the Airport and have just had it with the continuing farce that gets played out continuously with these semi-state dinosaurs, whether it's Aer Rianta and the no to the new terminal that wouldn't cost them a penny at DUB, the apalling facilities at DUB, the SNN stopover or Aer Lingus and it's chronic inefficiency.
Any fool can make money in a buyont booming economy, it's when economic conditions turn the other way that you see who really is in the best health.
Ryanair are going nowhere, their cost base is too well controlled and their product is too attractive to consumers.
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Ryan Air
Congrats to an Irish success story
TO be honest Ryan Air is a great UK success story also, many a happy employee
amounst our friends in the UK
Long may it continue.........
And Good luck to Shamrock, best of luck
hope theres a silver lining to this grey CB.
Congrats to an Irish success story
TO be honest Ryan Air is a great UK success story also, many a happy employee
amounst our friends in the UK
Long may it continue.........
And Good luck to Shamrock, best of luck
hope theres a silver lining to this grey CB.
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M.O'L in today's Times:
The Irish carrier wants to open a second hub in Europe and is recruiting 250 staff, asking prospective pilots to pay £50 for the privilege of submitting a job application. “Last year we had 6,500 applications for 80 jobs, and 600 were from 16-year-olds that didn’t have a driving licence,” said Mr O’Leary. “A quality 737 pilot isn’t going to mind spending £50.”
The Irish carrier wants to open a second hub in Europe and is recruiting 250 staff, asking prospective pilots to pay £50 for the privilege of submitting a job application. “Last year we had 6,500 applications for 80 jobs, and 600 were from 16-year-olds that didn’t have a driving licence,” said Mr O’Leary. “A quality 737 pilot isn’t going to mind spending £50.”
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I have said it before and I'll say it again I have no problem with the s@dding £50 for submitting the CV, or £50 for the interview, or even the £150 for the sim because I know I am qualified and able to do the job.I am not a 16-year-olds that didn’t have a driving licence I am an unemployed commercial airline pilot.
Its the £15,000 money up front for the type conversion that brings every thing to a grinding halt.
cant spell when
[ 06 November 2001: Message edited by: dv8 ]
Its the £15,000 money up front for the type conversion that brings every thing to a grinding halt.
cant spell when
[ 06 November 2001: Message edited by: dv8 ]
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I fully accept that if you have 6,500 CV's arriving in the post, many of whom are totally unsuitable, it costs you to employ someone just to open the envelopes and feed the poor ones into the trash can.
With online recruitment and a computerised database, how much extra does it cost to have the computer weed out all the unsuitable types and present you with a list of good ones?
With online recruitment and a computerised database, how much extra does it cost to have the computer weed out all the unsuitable types and present you with a list of good ones?