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Old 8th Jul 2006, 14:28
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flybe, single engine into MAN

i've heard that flybe came into MAN on friday on one engine after an in flight shut down (oil leak i believe), anyone with anymore info on wat went wrong? (or right!!)

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The aircraft came in from Norwich thats all i know
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Is this another Q400 ??
Is this the labyrinth seal / oil leak problem again ?

If so, that's makes about half a dozen in-flight shutdowns in the past 18 months ...
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yer it was one of there new dash 8's...
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FlyBE Dash 8 shuts an engine down and diverts? Hardly news!
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Originally Posted by Ham Phisted
FlyBE Dash 8 shuts an engine down and diverts? Hardly news!
Depends if it happens frequently. If it doesn't, it's a non event as you say. If it does (and I've no idea either way), it's news.

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This appears to be a very regular problem.

There were allegedly some problems with the P&W 150 engines whereby oil fumes were entering the cabin due to a defect with oil seals (possibly vibration related?).

Is this being addressed ?
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Old 8th Jul 2006, 20:47
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All Flybe aircraft have been modified to prevent the fumes in cabin incidents (strictly speaking the engines have been modded).

Crew room gossip is that the crew had a low oil pressure indication and shut the engine down, as required by the QRH. So doesn't appear to be any connection with other incidents.
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 01:15
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"Drama as plane lands on one engine"

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....ne_engine.html
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Hardly a drama!
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Hardly a drama......but if you have two engines with the same amount of hours, and 2 seals retiring at the same time.....not so much of a 'non' event!
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That worries me...we get a lot of dash traffic over my house in Yorkshire...
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The engine didn't suddenly cut out!

It was a controlled in flight shutdown due to a low oil pressure indication, as per the SOPs.

Windsheer. What makes you think both the engines had the same amount of hours? And what makes you think a seal "retired"? This was NOT the case.

Please check your facts before you start announcing things incorrectly.

Not a drama at all.
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Wooahh chesty!

I was simply stating that IF both engines had the same hours and the seals failed due to fatigue, then there would be an issue.

I also think that stating there was 'no drama' is a little rash. Shutting down one of your kebabs in flight is not ideal is it? There was obviously no 'drama', and the crew handled it superbly....but shutting down an engine; to me IS an issue!
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Q:
What makes you think both the engines had the same amount of hours?
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yer it was one of there new dash 8's...
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 16:33
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Most companies that I have ever worked for had a policy of moving engines around within the fleet.

That way you never had a situation where one aircraft had four brand new engines and another which had four old engines.

Mind you, such a basic idea could just be beyond the comprehension of some of the posters on pprune who make ridiculous assumptions in the first place.
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OK Windsheer, I may have been a bit abrupt. It's very rare to have two engines on one airframe with the same hours for that reason. In fact it probably only happens when a new one comes out of the hangar.

Strepsils, Your point is? See above. See JW411. Oh...and it wasn't new.
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this report is clearly floored. firstlty the engine didnt not just stop with out warning - it was shut down in a controlled way as per the QRH. And secondly, not a huge point but just to prove the report as crap it did not taxi, pax were of loaded (not sure were, but not on a normal stand) and bussed b4 the a/c was towed over to 65r.
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I'm well aware engines are not usually matched pairs (or trios, quads, whatever), but based on info given on the thread (i.e. it was a new aircraft) windsheer's point was perfectly understandable.
In fact it probably only happens when a new one comes out of the hangar
It may well not be a new aircraft, but windsheer wasn't to know that.

Even if it's not a new aircraft, the point that two engines of similar hours suffering the same fault could happen is perfectly valid. Also, the engines could have completely different hours and cycles, but what if both the seals are of similar age?

But to be honest, the reason I purposely posted a facetious reply is that I'm fed up with the constant replies on subjects like this saying "No drama, nothing happened, why make assumptions!!!"

It's a rumour site, that's why we're here. And it may not be a drama to you, but I bet it was to most of the pax. And, like it or not, it was an incident, hence peoples interest.

No one is having a cheap shot at the aircraft or airline, but it is a non-normal event and, in this case, it would appear as on of a number on this type. (I'm talking about the thread here, not the news reports as they tend to be competely innacurate as a matter of course.)

Relax, count to ten and take a breath before your next reply to such an event, you'll feel a lot better.
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But to be honest, the reason I purposely posted a facetious reply is that I'm fed up with the constant replies on subjects like this saying "No drama, nothing happened, why make assumptions!!!"
Conversely, why assume it is a drama? I'm fed up with ill-informed people making a mountain out of a mole hill every time the slightest incident occurs in aviation.

An in flight shut down is not a big event, it happens on a fairly regular basis. It may make the passengers feel uncomfortable, however so does turbulence and bad weather.

The chances of both engines failing on the same flight is extremely remote and to my knowledge has not happened in at least the last 30 years (excluding fuel issues and volcanic ash encounters).

This is just the media trying to make a story out of something which is not a big issue. Failures are expected to happen and that is why we have the redundancy of a second engine. There are procedures to deal with these failures which as far as we all know were perfectly executed in this case. It was not a drama.

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