Flight International article on stress at LCC's.
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Jump seating
Unfortunately Rat, riding the jump seat, especially if you haven't been trained as crew doesn't get the heart rate up and the brain whizzing, as sitting a couple of feet further forward does.
It tends to give you a sore back and hunger but not much more.
However, doing the galley chores on tight turnrounds is a pretty good intro and any manager who would do that for some days is worthy of note.
Good luck to all,
FC.
It tends to give you a sore back and hunger but not much more.
However, doing the galley chores on tight turnrounds is a pretty good intro and any manager who would do that for some days is worthy of note.
Good luck to all,
FC.
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Stan-hello hope this finds you well.
It is also worth remembering WHY the bonus got paid in the first place. The challenge was to join easy and Go on budget. All was going well untill that pesky sim training got in the way. So the managers of the people based, "if you think safety is expensive...." SOPs, standards, etc; decided that the money was more important and just sent a cardboard box with Part A in it to STN and the the Go guys and girls had work it out.
Money grabbing bastardos-do you think you-and your roster stand a chance.
Perhaps the ex-Go now self appointed saftey spokes person and sponser of Flight Intl. stories might comment.
It is also worth remembering WHY the bonus got paid in the first place. The challenge was to join easy and Go on budget. All was going well untill that pesky sim training got in the way. So the managers of the people based, "if you think safety is expensive...." SOPs, standards, etc; decided that the money was more important and just sent a cardboard box with Part A in it to STN and the the Go guys and girls had work it out.
Money grabbing bastardos-do you think you-and your roster stand a chance.
Perhaps the ex-Go now self appointed saftey spokes person and sponser of Flight Intl. stories might comment.
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NT, the person to whom you refer is one of the worst things to come out of GO. He's still trying desperately to get on the Board - a dangerous and self interested ex-plod to be avoided at all costs.
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Paxing All Over The World
Masai thanks for the reference. I have only read to page 13 and this fascinating statement:
Given that that study was made in the 1980s, would I be correct in thinking that rest periods have been shortened since then? So that after a London~Anchorage~Tokyo~Anchorage~London the pilot could be off again on the next route, in less than five days?
p 13 of The Polar Route 2.3.9 The overall conclusion was that the polar route was associated with extensive disruption of the sleep-wake and of the circadian system, and that it took approximately five days for the crews to make a complete, or almost complete, recovery.
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Hi Colonel
I know you dedicated a lot of effort on the CC but the conditions you seek are in abundance elsewhere. The smartest move I made in my flying career was to leave easyJet. I have a great life now with an employer that has some respect for my desire to have a life outside of work with family and friends. I read a recent comment from someone in easyJet that they need to push crews until they find out what the limit is... I was amazed to read this. Is the limit reached when they suffer a hull loss?
I know you dedicated a lot of effort on the CC but the conditions you seek are in abundance elsewhere. The smartest move I made in my flying career was to leave easyJet. I have a great life now with an employer that has some respect for my desire to have a life outside of work with family and friends. I read a recent comment from someone in easyJet that they need to push crews until they find out what the limit is... I was amazed to read this. Is the limit reached when they suffer a hull loss?
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Easy fatigue / Crisis
Hello K.K to all those who have posted, I have just recieved a very interesting letter from my AME who on my behalf wrote to the CAA when i highlighted the levels of fatigue i was experiencing .It highlights the areas where easyjet think the fatigue lies.And it's the biggest loead of S'''t i have ever heard still blaming pilot postcodes!and they addmitted that the crewing levels were a bit down but promised to restore the levels by summer 06 !!!!.WELL done that,, aint they, NOT!.
Easyjet are in serious crisis and I think that they have known for a long time.
On another tack:
The other day an A/C was sent from edi-stn empty to pick up an SCCM!
Prior to that they sent an SCCM with her own privet A319 to DTM to operate a flight they they flew her back on the same A/C empty . But there was an A/C in DTM with a crew missing an SCCM! and they could have simply pos an SCCM from LUT in plenty of time .CRISIS WHAT CRISIS?
By the way i'm out very soon,result ? loss, another senior trainer!
ALT
Easyjet are in serious crisis and I think that they have known for a long time.
On another tack:
The other day an A/C was sent from edi-stn empty to pick up an SCCM!
Prior to that they sent an SCCM with her own privet A319 to DTM to operate a flight they they flew her back on the same A/C empty . But there was an A/C in DTM with a crew missing an SCCM! and they could have simply pos an SCCM from LUT in plenty of time .CRISIS WHAT CRISIS?
By the way i'm out very soon,result ? loss, another senior trainer!
ALT
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As one of the many who has left in the last year, I am not surprised to hear that nothing has changed. The reason I left was exactly the same as many others - quality of life! I now fly longhaul worldwide and am enjoying my flying once again. I see more of my family now than what I ever did at easy and despite a lot of nightflying, I am a lot less tired.
I am still amazed that no heads have rolled with regard to the huge numbers of people leaving. Sorry I forget, all management do is increase the Key Performance Indicator figures so that they still come in under target and can get their bonus.
For all of you at easy thinking of leaving, all I can say that there is life outside the orange bubble and boy is it good!
Anyway, got to go to work now for only the 4th time this month, all I have to do is remember where I left my uniform last week!
Keep the sunny side up
Exeasy and glad.
I am still amazed that no heads have rolled with regard to the huge numbers of people leaving. Sorry I forget, all management do is increase the Key Performance Indicator figures so that they still come in under target and can get their bonus.
For all of you at easy thinking of leaving, all I can say that there is life outside the orange bubble and boy is it good!
Anyway, got to go to work now for only the 4th time this month, all I have to do is remember where I left my uniform last week!
Keep the sunny side up
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Hi Blue foot yes i agree with you without the fantastic training and hour building i had at easy I would not be with with the airline iam with today. However I would say to the pilots with the hours get out now and get your lives back while you can. The airline I am with love easy Pilots thanx to the first class training and experience.
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Factors influencing Fatigue
Everyone has detailed all the work issues that contribute to this already.
Another factor that is often omitted is the time taken to travel to and from work.Pilots often live quite a long way from their place of work and after a long duty day,combined with time zone changes and sleeping away from home a long journey on a busy motorway is more hazardous than flying.
Some airlines transport their Flight Deck crew to and from work.Also some hospital authorities provide taxis for staff who work long hours and are likely to be fatigued at the end of their 24 hour shift.
Another factor that is often omitted is the time taken to travel to and from work.Pilots often live quite a long way from their place of work and after a long duty day,combined with time zone changes and sleeping away from home a long journey on a busy motorway is more hazardous than flying.
Some airlines transport their Flight Deck crew to and from work.Also some hospital authorities provide taxis for staff who work long hours and are likely to be fatigued at the end of their 24 hour shift.
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Doc,
Which is exactly why, if I were in CAA, would require that airlines either require pilots to live withing 30min of base, or preferably, include travel times in duty hours, as it is ALL fatigue, to be counted!
Which is exactly why, if I were in CAA, would require that airlines either require pilots to live withing 30min of base, or preferably, include travel times in duty hours, as it is ALL fatigue, to be counted!
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I have worked under the Scandanavian FTL's. They seemed far more realistic. Time off at the place of rest was minimum 12 hours, same as most normal jobs with much less safety implications. If you were required to live within 1 hour of work then you were allowed 1 hour to drive home after duty, then the 12 hours started, and then 1 hour to drive back to work. Simple and humane. If you were night stopping at the airport only 30 minutes for travelling.
Consider it; 1 hour drive home including walk to carpark, 1 hour to adjust to being 'off duty', 2 hours dinner with family + relax, (unless you are on lates with RYR),8 hours in bed, 1 hour to shower & have breakfast, 1 hour to drive to work + walk from carpark. Total = 14 hours. Compare that to the minimum 10 hours under Irish law & 12 hours under UK. Where is it unreasonable considering the random shift system under which we operate? Never had a triedness problem under these FTL's. They are constantly improving the realiability of the hardware we operate but constantly diluting the software.
The message will get through and the supply of pilots will dry up. I have no doubt. Unless it changes!
Consider it; 1 hour drive home including walk to carpark, 1 hour to adjust to being 'off duty', 2 hours dinner with family + relax, (unless you are on lates with RYR),8 hours in bed, 1 hour to shower & have breakfast, 1 hour to drive to work + walk from carpark. Total = 14 hours. Compare that to the minimum 10 hours under Irish law & 12 hours under UK. Where is it unreasonable considering the random shift system under which we operate? Never had a triedness problem under these FTL's. They are constantly improving the realiability of the hardware we operate but constantly diluting the software.
The message will get through and the supply of pilots will dry up. I have no doubt. Unless it changes!
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Originally Posted by RAT 5
They are constantly improving the realiability of the hardware we operate but constantly diluting the software.
The message will get through and the supply of pilots will dry up. I have no doubt. Unless it changes!
The message will get through and the supply of pilots will dry up. I have no doubt. Unless it changes!
