Gas guzzling wastage at JFK
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Originally Posted by JW411
I once spent over 5 hours in the congo line at JFK with the centre engine and the APU running one particularly foul night about 20 years ago. We were No.54 when we joined and I remember hearing a No.78.
As someone has already stated, holding at the Gate is not allowed.
As someone has already stated, holding at the Gate is not allowed.
When somebody asked "What is our number for start?" the reply was something like : "If I told you #117, everybody else would ask"
Few others asked.Pax fed and watered on board before departure so they all got a couple more hours sleep across the pond.
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How many tonnes of fuel could be saved every year worldwide if there were tow trucks for all jets. When qued up the engines would be started when approxmately 5 minutes before takeoff. Probably would mean a whole new way of thinking, but could this be possible? A tow truck on every nose until just before takeoff?
Of course it's not possible. Most days you would have 300 tug drivers (assuming 3 shifts of 100) doing absolutely bu**er all and being paid a good salary with pension rights plus the capital expenditure of buying 100 tugs just to deal with a possible congo line on a few days of the year.
Mind you, on second thoughts, this just about sounds like BA on an average day at LHR except that the tug drivers, crew bus drivers etc etc are probably just as numerous but can't be found when they are needed!
Mind you, on second thoughts, this just about sounds like BA on an average day at LHR except that the tug drivers, crew bus drivers etc etc are probably just as numerous but can't be found when they are needed!
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some of us voted for kerry and gore before him...The only really fuel efficient leg I did was taking off from CLT at an off time and going to Talahasse (sp) florida... given descent clearance to 3000'...intercepted Glideslope aobut 90-100 miles out...checked that the engines would respond and went right on in.
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Originally Posted by Sir Richard
Strange that..on a similar dark and stormy night some years ago at JFK there were NO departures for about 3 hours. Gate holding all round.
When somebody asked "What is our number for start?" the reply was something like : "If I told you #117, everybody else would ask" Few others asked.
Pax fed and watered on board before departure so they all got a couple more hours sleep across the pond.
When somebody asked "What is our number for start?" the reply was something like : "If I told you #117, everybody else would ask"
Few others asked.Pax fed and watered on board before departure so they all got a couple more hours sleep across the pond.
At one point JFK tower said, "you can start them up if you like and takeoff. You'll be the only a/c in NY departure's area. You can fly any altitude and any heading you like." My response "thanks but no thanks." No one else volunteered so no flights departed.
Just before we became #1 a DL 767-300 flight departed of 22R with a left turn towards Europe. We were facing 130 degrees (taxiway Z ???)(just prior to 22R departure end) and could see the radar picture. We had no interest in departing, especially in *that* direction. 'Shadowed' the flight on departure control frequency using TCAS and radar picture. "Moderate to severe turbulence out of 2000' ". Duh!
JFK-LAX flight. During the course of the night we had about 8-10 different clearances. Routings included flying NE towards BOS and then north into Canada and as far SW departure towards ATL and then westbound.
Nasty, nasty, night.
