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Comair TA - Rumor

Old 3rd May 2001, 16:34
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A little birdie sat on my shoulder a few moments ago and told me CMR have come up with a TA last night. We'll see. I hope so since the pilots are looking at a bleak future otherwise. Good luck guys.

Addendum 5/14/01 - This of course turns out NOT to be TA - Tentative Agreement at all. It is the NMB's attempt at inflicting their idea of a working contract on the pilots. Can't change the title of the thread but it is NOT a TA!

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Old 3rd May 2001, 16:48
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your little birdie is not the buzzards in atl is it? t/a will be what we want . what do you say atl, 4 mill a day worth the five star clowns in the glass tower in cvg?

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Old 3rd May 2001, 17:37
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"....what we want or not at all...." Where have I heard this before? I remember, it was at good 'ole Eastern Air Lines, wonder what happened to them? Younger guys have short memories, or none at all.
 
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Well it is end of business and nothing in public. I will keep my fingers crossed that there is something in this RUMOR. I have talked with several CMR pilots in the past few days, and they are not hopeful of a return to work as usual. The resumes are pumping out. Tough to find work as a striking pilot. Tougher as a scab.
 
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>>Tougher as a scab.<<

Yep, that's what some of your new ALPA brothers at Continental tell me <g>...

Like you, hope this has a happy ending somehow. Finger pointing and calling each other names years later is a lost cause from my experience. This being on strike sure ain't what it used to be!
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So the word SCAB is not allowed with regard to CAL any more eh?!

Once a scab...
 
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>>So the word SCAB is not allowed with regard to CAL any more eh?!<<

Yep, that's part of the official ALPA "no retribution" policy offered to CAL to come back into the ALPA fold. The CAL pilots with unfortunate dates of hire refer to themselves as "former scabs" on their internal forum as they sing the praises of being converted to the union movement. ALPA is making them members in good standing and has vowed to fight any discrimination against pilots (now very senior) who took jobs at CAL during the strike.

In case you missed it, here's a release from the IACP (Continental's independent pilot union, now folding back into ALPA):


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Special Report about the IACP BOD meeting in IAH October 23 - 27, 2000

Sheraton North Airport Hotel,
Agenda - all day - ALPA affiliation

Note: The term "CAL pilot" stands for the pilots of Continental and Continental Express Airlines

In attendance:

IACP BOD
ALPA National President, Capt. Duane Woerth and his assistants, Capt. Howard Attarian and Mr. Johnson IACP rank and file members observing and participating

Capt. Pat Burke, President of IACP, called the meeting to order.

Then Capt. Woerth addressed the BOD.
He displayed a video presentation that celebrates ALPA's 70s anniversary
next year. The video highlights ALPA's accomplishments over the last 70 years and featured many prominent supporters of ALPA in politics and industry.

He explained the historical resolution passed last week at the ALPA National
meeting in Miami.

This is the ALPA news release: http://www.alpa.org/internet/news/nr00078.htm
This is the resolution: http://www.alpa.org/internet/news/nr00078res.htm

The key component of that resolution deals with the issue of membership. Under the Board resolution, all members in good standing [i.e. including the "former" sc*bs - Airbubba] from a merged union will be offered ALPA membership.

After Capt. Woerth explained the resolution he gave a speech outlining ALPA's offer to the pilots of Continental and Continental Express Airlines.

Capt. Woerth emphasized that ALPA will give unconditional and unequivocal membership to every IACP member in good standing. There will be no retributions or tricks of any sort - guaranteed. [trust me <g>]

After his address, the members of the BOD asked questions, followed by questions from the rank and file members that were present. EVERY rank and file member of the IACP that had an interested in doing so had an opportunity to voice their opinion and questions. Some members read statements from fellow pilots that could not attend. The questions were interesting and the pro/con statements were balanced. At least two pilots
that would be expected to have a negative view of ALPA (because of their background [wonder what that means <g>]) actually surprised everybody by urging pilots to keep an open mind until all information is available, to keep emotions out of the process and to make it an informed and intelligent business decision...


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Here's more on a possible TA from the CVG paper:


Friday, May 04, 2001

Pilot union leaders to meet

Gathering may be a positive sign as talks recess


By James Pilcher
The Cincinnati Enquirer

Comair's striking pilots recessed from negotiations with the company late Thursday, with union leaders scheduled to meet over the weekend, a union official said.

A union spokesman wouldn't comment further, but several outside experts on airline contract negotiations said the news was good.

“They may have an agreement and they are probably stepping back to consider it,” said Darryl Jenkins, director of the Aviation Institute at George Washington University in Washington, D.C. “This is a very good sign.”

The 1,350-member union's Master Executive Council could meet for several days when it convenes in Cincinnati, said Paul Lackie, spokesman for Comair's branch of the Air Line Pilots Association.

“More information will come out at the end of that meeting,” Mr. Lackie said.

He declined further comment, saying both sides were under a media blackout imposed by the National Mediation Board, and would not say why the eight-member council was meeting.

Comair spokeswoman Meghan Glynn said company negotiators were still in Washington, where talks had been held since April 25. She said she had no knowledge of a recess.

“We are still there, trying to work out an agreement,” Ms. Glynn said.

The pilots have been on strike since March 26. The talks had been the first discussions between the two sides since the strike began. The negotiations were scheduled to end April 27, but were extended an extra six days.

Neither Mr. Lackie nor Ms. Glynn would comment on whether any progress had been made at the table during the nine-day session.

Experts such as Purdue University professor Frank J. Dooley said the fact that talks had been extended was a good sign, adding that the recess could mean a settlement is near.

“They could be really close and want to go back and consider whether they want to go through with it,” said Mr. Dooley, author of two books on the Railway Labor Act, which oversees labor negotiations in the railroad and airline industries.

Erlanger-based Comair, the nation's third-largest regional carrier, and its parent Delta Air Lines have been losing about $4 million a day on the strike, Delta officials have said.

That totals about $160 million through today, the 40th of the strike.

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not a clue 411A, that was then and this is now, dial " 1-800-collect fool"
 
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WSJ saying the NMB presented a contract offer to the pilots sometime yesterday. MEC now debating. Ugly but salvageable - just.

They would do well to examine recent history before shooting this down, and trying to look too hairy chested.
 
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>>They would do well to examine recent history before shooting this down, and trying to look too hairy chested.<<

Amen to that one! Comair MEC has tried to promote "A pilot is a pilot is a pilot".

Unfortunately, as I learned many years ago "A commuter is a commuter is a commuter".

Anyway, hope everyone is back at work soon with a pay raise...

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Looks like this one is from the mediator, not the company and the union...

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Enquirer News Update - Updated 5:35 pm

Comair, pilots weighing mediator's compromise settlement


By James Pilcher
The Cincinnati Enquirer

Comair and its striking pilots are currently considering a compromise settlement offer presented by the National Mediation Board Thursday.

Mediation board spokesman Daniel Rainey said today that "the settlement offer is designed to resolve the pilots strike that has lasted for more than five weeks."

"Both sides are considering the settlement," Mr. Rainey said, declining further comment.

Paul Lackie, spokesman for Comair's 1,350-member branch of the Air Line Pilots Association, said Thursday that the pilots had recessed from negotiations. He also said that the union's eight-member Master Executive Council was meeting this weekend in Cincinnati, but would not say what the meeting was about.

Comair spokesman Nick Miller confirmed that the company is considering the deal. He had no further comment.

The two sides entered talks on April 25, the first time the two sides had met since the pilots walked out on March 26, citing differences over work rules, retirement benefits, job protection and pay.

The company had said entering the talks that the two sides were about $240 million apart, while Mr. Lackie said the figure was about half that.

Shares in Comair's parent, Delta Air Lines, were $45.16, up 26 cents in trading this morning.

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Once a Scab always a Scab.

Did not mean to infring upon the Comair news and I certainly hope for the best for those guys.

It saddens me that ALPA has now put Continental back into the fold, yes there are mostly decent pilots there, as a matter of fact most of them are, but the "unfortunate" numbers put themselves above their friends. Just like I would not want a onetime deserter in a foxhole with me, I would not count a Scab to show solidarity to anyone but himself. They have ruined to many lives and careers to ever be forgiven.

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On Yahoo news tonight, it said that that Comair management had voted to accept the offer made by the mediators and that that the Comair MEC was going to send the offer to the general membership for a vote. My confidence that this a reasonable offer is low because of management's quick acceptance. I received my assessment today and I'm willing to pay it for as long as you guys need in order to get a fair contract.
 
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I'm still surprised that the offer came to both sides from the mediator, I can't remember a case of this happening before...

Comair did give the proposed contract a slam dunk acceptance, perhaps it's a minor face saving tweak of the company's last offer.

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cmr t/a is not endorse by the mec, it is another ploy by larry, curly, and moe. until the mec receives a "worthy" t/a the answer will always be the same. "FORTES FORTUNA JUVAT"
 
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Eastern, Eastern, where art thou Eastern....? Could it be....yes, down the tubes. Comair next?
 
Old 6th May 2001, 05:39
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So 411A, do you remember slim pickins in Dr. strangelove when he rode the bomb out the bombbay all the way to the dirt? "c'est la guerre"
 
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Redfish--
Sure do remember good 'ole Slim, a great actor. Do you expect that Comair will go like Slim....pfffsstttt....gone?
 
Old 6th May 2001, 07:45
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Considering that COMAIR is almost an all-jet airline, some of whose routes were flown by Delta 737s, DC-9s (Delta had, in the past, the loosest scope language among the "big four")...and COMAIR has been much more profitable, by percentage, than its competitors (i.e. Eagle, NW Airlink, United Express), why could not COMAIR mgmt have agreed to some company-funded retirement and a little more pay than the typical United States FO paychecks, which are only a little above the Federal minimum wage?

If the company wanted to reward pilots for not leaving after a few years, or at all, where was their incentive to keep pilots: merely the pilot ego-boost from replacing all Brasilia turboprops with CRJ regional jets?

I've never been opposed to regionals operating jets, but the overall picture, especially COMAIR's refusal to help fund a pilot's 30+ year career makes no sense to me, whether the competition wants to or not.

Just some straight-forward questions, whether they contradict Harvard Business School MBA theory or not.
 

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