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Tower Dog-Was/is Continental an open or closed union shop, even when the IACP was their union?
Maybe most ALPA members don't like the idea either, but as the vast majority of Continental pilots were hired (or "crawlbacks") after the strike, should the entire group be excluded from ALPA membership because of the scab minority who would also receive a membership card? I don't know what the ideal solution is in a very imperfect world.
The real Continental (and other airlines') scabs will still have their names listed permanently on "the scab list"-fortunately, nothing can erase those names and their shameful actions, no matter what smoke is blown on Pprune or elsewhere (by Lorenzo's apologists, i.e. some who have never lived in the US...) to attempt to cloud that simple fact.
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Maybe most ALPA members don't like the idea either, but as the vast majority of Continental pilots were hired (or "crawlbacks") after the strike, should the entire group be excluded from ALPA membership because of the scab minority who would also receive a membership card? I don't know what the ideal solution is in a very imperfect world.
The real Continental (and other airlines') scabs will still have their names listed permanently on "the scab list"-fortunately, nothing can erase those names and their shameful actions, no matter what smoke is blown on Pprune or elsewhere (by Lorenzo's apologists, i.e. some who have never lived in the US...) to attempt to cloud that simple fact.
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No, don't know any perfect solution either, but the answer should be somewhere in ALPA's
by-laws.
Let the pilots that never scabed vote ALPA and get a contract and the scabs will not be represented or protected by the union.
I belive that is how it works over at UA.
Either way it is not really my concern as I changed from ALPS to APA recently.
Yet, leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
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by-laws.
Let the pilots that never scabed vote ALPA and get a contract and the scabs will not be represented or protected by the union.
I belive that is how it works over at UA.
Either way it is not really my concern as I changed from ALPS to APA recently.
Yet, leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
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411A, why the hard-on? You've never got a kind word for any airline pilots. Whaaasuppp? Comair pilots are conducting a lawful strike. Correct? Your recollection of events at EAL are far from relevant, and have no seeming accuracy. Talk a walk, get some fresh air. It'll do you a world of good.
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Petergozinya--
I have no problem with airline pilots whatsoever, I just hate to see guys blinded by the ALPA (or APA) line that...."we have all the power and the company must capitulate." Eastern folded because of the policies of Lorenzo (Borman before)AND the incessant demands of the IAM. ALPA led EAL pilots down the primrose path and then did nothing whatsoever to help them later. I have talked to many of them and they ALL say the same. As I have worked overseas for many years I have not had to join any union. If the guys at Comair get their contract then more power to them but they should NOT believe all the BS from ALPA. I always admired Bud Maytag, the CEO of the old National Airlines in MIA. He played ALPA like a Stradavareous violin, they always had a strike in the summer, the LOW season in the Florida market at that time. And the ALPA guys bought the BS every time. Hard to believe. Also, have noted in the latest Aviation Week that the new contract with the DAL pilots limits to a large degree 50 seat regional aircraft. Who is to say that DAL will not just let Comair fold and sell off the airplanes? There is certainly a ready market for them.
I have no problem with airline pilots whatsoever, I just hate to see guys blinded by the ALPA (or APA) line that...."we have all the power and the company must capitulate." Eastern folded because of the policies of Lorenzo (Borman before)AND the incessant demands of the IAM. ALPA led EAL pilots down the primrose path and then did nothing whatsoever to help them later. I have talked to many of them and they ALL say the same. As I have worked overseas for many years I have not had to join any union. If the guys at Comair get their contract then more power to them but they should NOT believe all the BS from ALPA. I always admired Bud Maytag, the CEO of the old National Airlines in MIA. He played ALPA like a Stradavareous violin, they always had a strike in the summer, the LOW season in the Florida market at that time. And the ALPA guys bought the BS every time. Hard to believe. Also, have noted in the latest Aviation Week that the new contract with the DAL pilots limits to a large degree 50 seat regional aircraft. Who is to say that DAL will not just let Comair fold and sell off the airplanes? There is certainly a ready market for them.
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411A-your comments appear to give more of a balanced picture about CO and EAL than some of the past descriptions. Such brief comments about Eastern's demise are generally true, however it might be very oversimplified to say that ALPA (and TWU etc?) only followed the IAM like blind sheep. Unions can make tactical and strategic mistakes (wasn't that under Duffy's "leadership? That says a bit about one large problem at ALPA then-Duffy's airline, Delta, was Eastern's main competitor in Atlanta etc, on many routes, and almost NO Eastern pilots were hired by Delta-did Duffy try to help ANY of the EAL pilots get interviews/jobs?).
Back to "Vlad"-wasn't Lorenzo already stealing/selling off the valuable SODA reservation software system, along with other major assets, then leased back to Eastern at very high rates? There were a number of major factors, although I don't remember how far apart the two sides were on pilot salary givebacks.
Even some business journals seem to have had scorn for Lorenzo's style ( he was finally denied an Oper. Certificate by our Dept of Transportation in the 90s) to do nothing except kick the unions between the legs, just to grab huge piles of money via his Jet Capital or Texas Air holding companies. In the 70s at Texas Int Airlines, he put all of the full-time ground agents suddenly on part-time work and stole their retirements! These were not just young people, with decades left to work. In the 80s and early 90s the US Executive Branch, many members of Congress and the FAA allowed his team to break many rules.
Despite some strategic mistakes made by ALPA and IAM's leader, Charlie Bryan, it just baffles me how people can praise CEO's etc who can knowingly break laws to extort money from the true airline career employees, thanks to macho man Reagan's (he had some good points) very cold anti-labor stance. Bush Senior was well known (was a friend of Lorenzo's family) our country's working people.
Hey gang, when did selling your company's vital assets with exorbitant leaseback rates and stealing peoples' retirement funds become justifiable to supposedly moral govt leaders? Was that "best for the country", as US politicians' propaganda machines prefer to describe the candidates? Not trying to exclude anyone's political heros' good points, but this WAS ALLOWED to happen to thousands of career airline "staff", as they call it "over there". Either Bush Sr or Reagan refused to have a PEB (Pres Emer. Board) help settle Eastern's mess, for the first time in history.
If unions should only roll over and show their belly (I'm trying to be polite) to their harsh enemy, then how does a union fight such a self-serving shark, a corporate "Vlad the Impaler" (the nightmarish true inspiration for Count Dracula)?
Come on, because someone's girlfriend or daughter misjudges where to park the car, or naively picks up a hitchhiker with a limp, doesn't justify a mugger's cowardly attack, does it? There must a parallel, whether melodramatic or not. Pardon the length of this soapbox speech.
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Back to "Vlad"-wasn't Lorenzo already stealing/selling off the valuable SODA reservation software system, along with other major assets, then leased back to Eastern at very high rates? There were a number of major factors, although I don't remember how far apart the two sides were on pilot salary givebacks.
Even some business journals seem to have had scorn for Lorenzo's style ( he was finally denied an Oper. Certificate by our Dept of Transportation in the 90s) to do nothing except kick the unions between the legs, just to grab huge piles of money via his Jet Capital or Texas Air holding companies. In the 70s at Texas Int Airlines, he put all of the full-time ground agents suddenly on part-time work and stole their retirements! These were not just young people, with decades left to work. In the 80s and early 90s the US Executive Branch, many members of Congress and the FAA allowed his team to break many rules.
Despite some strategic mistakes made by ALPA and IAM's leader, Charlie Bryan, it just baffles me how people can praise CEO's etc who can knowingly break laws to extort money from the true airline career employees, thanks to macho man Reagan's (he had some good points) very cold anti-labor stance. Bush Senior was well known (was a friend of Lorenzo's family) our country's working people.
Hey gang, when did selling your company's vital assets with exorbitant leaseback rates and stealing peoples' retirement funds become justifiable to supposedly moral govt leaders? Was that "best for the country", as US politicians' propaganda machines prefer to describe the candidates? Not trying to exclude anyone's political heros' good points, but this WAS ALLOWED to happen to thousands of career airline "staff", as they call it "over there". Either Bush Sr or Reagan refused to have a PEB (Pres Emer. Board) help settle Eastern's mess, for the first time in history.
If unions should only roll over and show their belly (I'm trying to be polite) to their harsh enemy, then how does a union fight such a self-serving shark, a corporate "Vlad the Impaler" (the nightmarish true inspiration for Count Dracula)?
Come on, because someone's girlfriend or daughter misjudges where to park the car, or naively picks up a hitchhiker with a limp, doesn't justify a mugger's cowardly attack, does it? There must a parallel, whether melodramatic or not. Pardon the length of this soapbox speech.
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>>wasn't that under Duffy's "leadership? That says a bit about one large problem at ALPA then-Duffy's airline, Delta, was Eastern's main competitor in Atlanta etc, on many routes, and almost NO Eastern pilots were hired by Delta-did Duffy try to help ANY of the EAL pilots get interviews/jobs?<<
That's exactly how I remember it. Sometimes ALPA is better at calling names than it is at getting jobs for the casualties of its campaigns.
Anyway, back to the Comair TA which Oilhead reported hot off the presses days ago...
The Comair MEC has decided to send the TA to the membership without recommendation, traditionally this means damning it with faint praise.
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Comair Pilots Prepare to Vote
On Contract Settlement Offer
By MARTHA BRANNIGAN
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
The leadership of the Air Line Pilots Association, representing striking pilots at Comair Inc., a regional airline unit of Delta Air Lines, said it will submit a settlement offer to its pilot membership without an endorsement.
ALPA said Comair's 1,350 pilots are scheduled to vote by telephone between Thursday and Saturday on the offer, which was presented by the National Mediation Board in a bid to end the strike that has dragged on since March 26 at Cincinnati-based Comair. Union leaders plan to hold meetings this week at Comair bases in Cincinnati and Orlando, Fla., to explain details of the proposal to pilots.
Capt. Max Roberts, an ALPA spokesman, said that while "it was not a negotiated agreement," the union's master executive council decided to present it to members for their consideration, particularly since the strike begins its seventh week on Monday.
Comair said it has agreed to the settlement offer, which the National Mediation Board presented after extensive talks in Washington, D.C. Details of the proposal weren't disclosed.
Comair pilots have been seeking significant gains that would bring them closer to pilots at major carriers.
Comair pilots walked out March 26 after overwhelmingly rejecting a company offer that, according to the company, would have boosted their pay by 36% to 43% by 2004 in most cases and included a company-funded retirement plan. According to Comair, under the earlier offer, the annual salary of an eight-year captain of a 50-seat regional jet would have risen to $66,660 this year from $58,360 and to $80,980 by 2004; the pay for a first-year co-pilot would have risen to $20,900 this year from $16,180 now.
Meanwhile, mainline pilots at Atlanta-based Delta, the nation's third-largest carrier, are slated to vote between May 22 and June 20 on a tentative contract endorsed by the pilots union's leadership last week. According to Delta, pilots' pay increase would average 11.3% for mainline pilots in the first year of the contract and 4.5% each year after that. Pilots at Delta Express, its low-fare unit, would get bigger raises, totaling 63% over the five-year accord. According to Delta, the average pay for a Delta pilot in 2000 was $158,538.
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That's exactly how I remember it. Sometimes ALPA is better at calling names than it is at getting jobs for the casualties of its campaigns.
Anyway, back to the Comair TA which Oilhead reported hot off the presses days ago...
The Comair MEC has decided to send the TA to the membership without recommendation, traditionally this means damning it with faint praise.
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Comair Pilots Prepare to Vote
On Contract Settlement Offer
By MARTHA BRANNIGAN
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
The leadership of the Air Line Pilots Association, representing striking pilots at Comair Inc., a regional airline unit of Delta Air Lines, said it will submit a settlement offer to its pilot membership without an endorsement.
ALPA said Comair's 1,350 pilots are scheduled to vote by telephone between Thursday and Saturday on the offer, which was presented by the National Mediation Board in a bid to end the strike that has dragged on since March 26 at Cincinnati-based Comair. Union leaders plan to hold meetings this week at Comair bases in Cincinnati and Orlando, Fla., to explain details of the proposal to pilots.
Capt. Max Roberts, an ALPA spokesman, said that while "it was not a negotiated agreement," the union's master executive council decided to present it to members for their consideration, particularly since the strike begins its seventh week on Monday.
Comair said it has agreed to the settlement offer, which the National Mediation Board presented after extensive talks in Washington, D.C. Details of the proposal weren't disclosed.
Comair pilots have been seeking significant gains that would bring them closer to pilots at major carriers.
Comair pilots walked out March 26 after overwhelmingly rejecting a company offer that, according to the company, would have boosted their pay by 36% to 43% by 2004 in most cases and included a company-funded retirement plan. According to Comair, under the earlier offer, the annual salary of an eight-year captain of a 50-seat regional jet would have risen to $66,660 this year from $58,360 and to $80,980 by 2004; the pay for a first-year co-pilot would have risen to $20,900 this year from $16,180 now.
Meanwhile, mainline pilots at Atlanta-based Delta, the nation's third-largest carrier, are slated to vote between May 22 and June 20 on a tentative contract endorsed by the pilots union's leadership last week. According to Delta, pilots' pay increase would average 11.3% for mainline pilots in the first year of the contract and 4.5% each year after that. Pilots at Delta Express, its low-fare unit, would get bigger raises, totaling 63% over the five-year accord. According to Delta, the average pay for a Delta pilot in 2000 was $158,538.
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PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO HISTORY -
Go back to the third man issue with Frontier and Wien Airlines. ALPA was going to sacrifice entire airlines (but small ones) to prove a point - not that the point really stood a chance in the first place; given the DC-9.
In the Continental strike, Duffy was quoted far and wide as saying that ALPA had a vested interest in the destruction of Continental, to prove the power of ALPA. The Braniff pilots and Eastern pilots will tell you about the smell of ALPA solidarity - somewhere between bovine manure and greenbacks.
A similar fate awaits the ComAir pilots. Make no mistake about that.
ALPA is destined to tell the ComAir pilots to vote down the latest contract, while the Delta pilots pick up the flying. In the aftermath, the commuter and regional operations are intended to take on the aura of being too risky (against ALPA), versus having the main line pilots doing the same flying at 'normal' proportionate pay rates.
If the ComAir pilots vote to continue the strike, ComAir will immediately fold and the strike pay / benefits to the ComAir pilots will cease.
In the smoke screen created by ALPA, the long term pilot destiny will be glossed over; the ComAir pilots will get the shaft.
Just read history, it's all there. The magnitude of the ComAir layoffs are the precursor.
Any doubts? Have the ComAir pilots ask the obvious questions. No, ALPA can't guarantee jobs at the majors; that's nonsense.
If anyone has the means, check to see what ComAir assetts have already been pre-sold - it could get interesting. At this point, the undeniable clues should be in the open.
The ComAir pilots have already been nailed. Their only possible hope is to approve the contract. That won't get them their jobs back - ultimately, but they'll have a moment of revenge.
Go back to the third man issue with Frontier and Wien Airlines. ALPA was going to sacrifice entire airlines (but small ones) to prove a point - not that the point really stood a chance in the first place; given the DC-9.
In the Continental strike, Duffy was quoted far and wide as saying that ALPA had a vested interest in the destruction of Continental, to prove the power of ALPA. The Braniff pilots and Eastern pilots will tell you about the smell of ALPA solidarity - somewhere between bovine manure and greenbacks.
A similar fate awaits the ComAir pilots. Make no mistake about that.
ALPA is destined to tell the ComAir pilots to vote down the latest contract, while the Delta pilots pick up the flying. In the aftermath, the commuter and regional operations are intended to take on the aura of being too risky (against ALPA), versus having the main line pilots doing the same flying at 'normal' proportionate pay rates.
If the ComAir pilots vote to continue the strike, ComAir will immediately fold and the strike pay / benefits to the ComAir pilots will cease.
In the smoke screen created by ALPA, the long term pilot destiny will be glossed over; the ComAir pilots will get the shaft.
Just read history, it's all there. The magnitude of the ComAir layoffs are the precursor.
Any doubts? Have the ComAir pilots ask the obvious questions. No, ALPA can't guarantee jobs at the majors; that's nonsense.
If anyone has the means, check to see what ComAir assetts have already been pre-sold - it could get interesting. At this point, the undeniable clues should be in the open.
The ComAir pilots have already been nailed. Their only possible hope is to approve the contract. That won't get them their jobs back - ultimately, but they'll have a moment of revenge.
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Let's not forget that the tar which is brushed on a former union leader, i.e. Duffy, should not, by implication, tar the membership and all of the leaders.
Lorenzo's so called "airline builder" team of corporate cutthroats took tens of millions in USD from sales of important assets and pension funds, leaving all of their carriers in a very weakened condition, no matter what the labor groups were able to achieve, or use to keep their airlines from being fragmented.
With enemies in the White House, those airline workers (this includes pilots, for those who are too ignorant to realize that pilots are blue-collar employees) at Texas Int'l, CO, EAL and many at TWA were doomed and had no protection anyway.
Reagan and Bush Sr would not allow integrity to influence their decisions regarding the workers (staff), i.e. refusing to call for a PEB... Any business owner was ENTITLED to use a scorched earth policy, even steal your retirement money, no matter what regs or laws were broken.
Lorenzo's so called "airline builder" team of corporate cutthroats took tens of millions in USD from sales of important assets and pension funds, leaving all of their carriers in a very weakened condition, no matter what the labor groups were able to achieve, or use to keep their airlines from being fragmented.
With enemies in the White House, those airline workers (this includes pilots, for those who are too ignorant to realize that pilots are blue-collar employees) at Texas Int'l, CO, EAL and many at TWA were doomed and had no protection anyway.
Reagan and Bush Sr would not allow integrity to influence their decisions regarding the workers (staff), i.e. refusing to call for a PEB... Any business owner was ENTITLED to use a scorched earth policy, even steal your retirement money, no matter what regs or laws were broken.
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IGNITION OVERRIDE -
Corruption doesn't care where or when it finds a home.
Not that much has changed. You're quite correct as to the CAL history. The dollar figure was radically higher, however.
I would be shocked to see the ComAir pilots NOT get sacrificed by ALPA. History has a certain inertia about it. I'd feel privileged to apologize to you for my being wrong.
If I'm wrong, the MEC will recommend that the pilots accept the deal.
Now, we wait.
Corruption doesn't care where or when it finds a home.
Not that much has changed. You're quite correct as to the CAL history. The dollar figure was radically higher, however.
I would be shocked to see the ComAir pilots NOT get sacrificed by ALPA. History has a certain inertia about it. I'd feel privileged to apologize to you for my being wrong.
If I'm wrong, the MEC will recommend that the pilots accept the deal.
Now, we wait.
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REDFISH -
You're quite correct, I hadn't heard of that one.
Make that www.rjdefense.com
Unless I'm reading it incorrectly, that site represents a Delta (ALPA) pilots' 'Down with ComAir" mindset. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
I can't blame the Delta pilots for being concerned, but you're either ALPA and a union 'brother,' or you're not.
The CAL IACP has been doing their best to get the commuter (RJ) pilots under one umbrella. That's quite a courageous position for a 'scab' outfit.
I'm not up on the history, but a 'scab' started the IACP, with a closed shop.
There was some talk that the same guy was doing his best to block the ALPA merger, but I'm not in touch with the reality on that topic. Somebody jump in, if you know that part of the history.
There was a lot of speculation that IACP was designed as a buffer to keep ALPA off the property - post Lorenzo.
You're quite correct, I hadn't heard of that one.
Make that www.rjdefense.com
Unless I'm reading it incorrectly, that site represents a Delta (ALPA) pilots' 'Down with ComAir" mindset. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
I can't blame the Delta pilots for being concerned, but you're either ALPA and a union 'brother,' or you're not.
The CAL IACP has been doing their best to get the commuter (RJ) pilots under one umbrella. That's quite a courageous position for a 'scab' outfit.
I'm not up on the history, but a 'scab' started the IACP, with a closed shop.
There was some talk that the same guy was doing his best to block the ALPA merger, but I'm not in touch with the reality on that topic. Somebody jump in, if you know that part of the history.
There was a lot of speculation that IACP was designed as a buffer to keep ALPA off the property - post Lorenzo.
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I'm not normally in touch with anyone at COMAIR or Continental (or Express), but the independent union (FEPA?) at FEDEX might have been set up as a compromise also. This impression of mine might be very oversimplified.
Off the topic (as usual here), but as for independent unions, there were supposedly a number of different factions at FEDEX, and their pilots ended up with a contract which is reportedly a good bit less "generous" than the UPS pilot contract. To me there is a paradox about that: Fred Smith always seemed to want to take care of his pilots, and thanks to the struggles of ALPA over the decades, FEDEX' use of aLPA contracts as general models allowed their pilots years ago to do well IF volunteering to fly on days off etc (a secret in their somewhat provincial corporate hometown, where many laymen still believe they are the best-paid pilots in the country, or world, without working on days off). One guy who flew (as a TAR) at VR-60, NAS Memphis years ago, after which he went to FEDEX, was too ignorant (maybe arrogant also) to acknowledge the benefit of ALPA's indirect but very strong influence on their pilot pay and benefits, in their "Flight Crew Handbook", which old Fred claimed was a valid contract...I guess it was very easy to close one's eyes (or insert one's head) and pretend that their pay/benefits package was based on purely random figures and workrules.
However, despite the two or more struggles at FEDEX to organize, Fred and his group decided after all, that they did not REALLY want his guys and gals in the cockpit to have a contract which would be the best in the industry. Partly because of mgmt's intransigence for a long time, many formerly anti-union pilots there voted either for ALPA or FEPA.
Anyway, for what it is worth, UPS pilots had left the Teamsters Airline Division at some point recently and started their own group-maybe this, plus good solidarity, resulted in a better contract than that at FEDEX.
Some of my impressions are from jumpseating pilots, or from a pilot here whose family member flies FEDEX MD-11s etc.
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Off the topic (as usual here), but as for independent unions, there were supposedly a number of different factions at FEDEX, and their pilots ended up with a contract which is reportedly a good bit less "generous" than the UPS pilot contract. To me there is a paradox about that: Fred Smith always seemed to want to take care of his pilots, and thanks to the struggles of ALPA over the decades, FEDEX' use of aLPA contracts as general models allowed their pilots years ago to do well IF volunteering to fly on days off etc (a secret in their somewhat provincial corporate hometown, where many laymen still believe they are the best-paid pilots in the country, or world, without working on days off). One guy who flew (as a TAR) at VR-60, NAS Memphis years ago, after which he went to FEDEX, was too ignorant (maybe arrogant also) to acknowledge the benefit of ALPA's indirect but very strong influence on their pilot pay and benefits, in their "Flight Crew Handbook", which old Fred claimed was a valid contract...I guess it was very easy to close one's eyes (or insert one's head) and pretend that their pay/benefits package was based on purely random figures and workrules.
However, despite the two or more struggles at FEDEX to organize, Fred and his group decided after all, that they did not REALLY want his guys and gals in the cockpit to have a contract which would be the best in the industry. Partly because of mgmt's intransigence for a long time, many formerly anti-union pilots there voted either for ALPA or FEPA.
Anyway, for what it is worth, UPS pilots had left the Teamsters Airline Division at some point recently and started their own group-maybe this, plus good solidarity, resulted in a better contract than that at FEDEX.
Some of my impressions are from jumpseating pilots, or from a pilot here whose family member flies FEDEX MD-11s etc.
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CONTRACT ISSUES -
Look at the current contract at American West. Being ALPA doesn't guarantee a thing, except the ALPA cut.
The CAL pilots will get nailed, if they don't get their board to dump the excess expenses. Presently, the IACP leadership is famous for spending money and not supporting the pilots.
See the CS-985 accounts at www.webpak.net. The attorney who sold the captain down the road is now the lawyer at IACP. With ALPA coming on the property, that captain will still have nothing.
Look at the current contract at American West. Being ALPA doesn't guarantee a thing, except the ALPA cut.
The CAL pilots will get nailed, if they don't get their board to dump the excess expenses. Presently, the IACP leadership is famous for spending money and not supporting the pilots.
See the CS-985 accounts at www.webpak.net. The attorney who sold the captain down the road is now the lawyer at IACP. With ALPA coming on the property, that captain will still have nothing.
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Looks like some of the Comair boys smell a rat in the recent Delta deal. Indeed, it is beginning to look like they may be hung out to dry if they don't accept the mediator's Comair TA. Support from Dalpa has been lukewarm to say the least.
Fair Disclosure: My pessimistic analysis is somewhat biased by memories of a similar situation with EAL in 1989.
Comair pilots got some practice at suing ALPA national last year in their unsuccessful quest to force their way onto the Delta mainline seniority list.
From today's Cincinnati Enquirer:
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Three Comair pilots have filed suit against their national union, saying ALPA International [sic] has shown a conflict of interest by allowing its Delta Air Lines' branch to negotiate a tentative agreement that limits the growth of Comair and other Delta Connection carriers owned by Delta.
The suit was filed Friday in federal court in New York, according to Comair regional jet captain and plaintiff Daniel Ford.
“ALPA has a legal responsibility to treat all their members fairly and equally ... and cannot support the efforts of the Delta (union) to restrict Comair and simultaneously fulfill its obligations to protect and promote the interests of Comair,” said Mr. Ford, 36, a 13-year Comair veteran and president of the RJ Defense Coalition, an organization of regional jet pilots.
Delta's 9,700-member union reached a tentative agreement April 22 with the company in a deal that would allow Delta to complete the purchase of 57 70-seat regional jets on order. In addition, Delta could purchase an additional 18 70-seat jets, but only if it adds the equivalent of three mainline pilot positions for each jet.
And the Delta deal limits the amount of flying by Delta Connection (Comair, SkyWest, Atlantic Southeast and AC Jet) to 34-37 percent of the entire Delta system, Mr. Ford said.
Anya Piazza, spokeswoman in ALPA's national office, said the union was aware of the lawsuit, but had yet to be officially served.
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INTELLIGENCE INDICATED -
It's a tough call, but the ALPA pilots need to get a firm grip on what solidarity means. The logical decision was to prevent the commuters from exceeding 20 seats in prior contracts.
In any event, the ComAir pilots are apparently quite savvy to the probability of being sabotaged by ALPA - from within their own ranks. Of course, there will be some passionate word-smithing to describe 'rape' as 'sport sex.' It will be economic incest, in any event. ALPA has its good history, but there remains a rotten dark side, as well.
For all the money collected, ALPA should be working on a legal avenue to upgrade the rights of pilots to the level of a bus driver. Anyone who has been through, or close to, an FAA violation will see the significance in that suggestion. Pilots eat their own, more often than not.
Anyone with a brain will advise that a contract is 10% protection against the company and 90% protection against their fellow pilot.
Change is indicated.
It's a tough call, but the ALPA pilots need to get a firm grip on what solidarity means. The logical decision was to prevent the commuters from exceeding 20 seats in prior contracts.
In any event, the ComAir pilots are apparently quite savvy to the probability of being sabotaged by ALPA - from within their own ranks. Of course, there will be some passionate word-smithing to describe 'rape' as 'sport sex.' It will be economic incest, in any event. ALPA has its good history, but there remains a rotten dark side, as well.
For all the money collected, ALPA should be working on a legal avenue to upgrade the rights of pilots to the level of a bus driver. Anyone who has been through, or close to, an FAA violation will see the significance in that suggestion. Pilots eat their own, more often than not.
Anyone with a brain will advise that a contract is 10% protection against the company and 90% protection against their fellow pilot.
Change is indicated.
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Taxsman--
Gosh, you sure sound agitated. Actually, quite like the EAL situation in many respects, only the IAM is not involved. Suspect ALPA will sell the Comair guys down the river. And if you haven't noticed, Eastern has gone by-by. Will Comair be next? There is a ready market for the aircraft. The pay-for-training guys will be left high and dry. Would be better for them to lower their collective expectations.
Gosh, you sure sound agitated. Actually, quite like the EAL situation in many respects, only the IAM is not involved. Suspect ALPA will sell the Comair guys down the river. And if you haven't noticed, Eastern has gone by-by. Will Comair be next? There is a ready market for the aircraft. The pay-for-training guys will be left high and dry. Would be better for them to lower their collective expectations.