Beech 1900 landing gear incident at KFLL
The obvious answer, Banana, is that one can't be certain it's factual. You read, then you read again, and you make a value judgement, that's all. WasHighPing Duck's description of the incident - and he made it plain it was from a passenger's viewpoint - was straitforward, believable, no great fuss, just what he saw. The NTSB report will verify or deny that some day. In the meantime, he's contributed some interesting text and photos, not least those demonstrating how the pilots kept the (full) aircraft from settling to starboard until the last few seconds, and still smack on the centreline.
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edited 30 Jun: ok not quite "smack on the centreline", just a few metres to the right of it.
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edited 30 Jun: ok not quite "smack on the centreline", just a few metres to the right of it.
Last edited by broadreach; 30th May 2006 at 15:22.
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Originally Posted by Tinstaafl
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The additional aerodynamic devices would be doing things like widen a CG envelope that would be rather constrained without them, maintain stability in various axes eg pitch & yaw, provide pitch down forces at high angles of attack or improve the effective span to compensate for increased weight.
The additional aerodynamic devices would be doing things like widen a CG envelope that would be rather constrained without them, maintain stability in various axes eg pitch & yaw, provide pitch down forces at high angles of attack or improve the effective span to compensate for increased weight.
And - increasing the effective span must have the structural effect of increasing the physical span, in that the spanwise center of lift is moved outboard. Thus all else being equal, the center section sees higher bending loads.
On the other hand - since this is the biggest buggy built in the Beech barn, maybe the constraint is the size of the hangar door.
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Hello all,
Doesn't the unique photo I posted of the landing before the fire dept. got there to foam at least prove I was a passenger?
I sat in the centre back, three seats there and one of the guys next to me wasn't enjoying the ride near as much as I was so to take his mind off it I told him airline jokes.
A plane flying over the Atlantic announces that they lost an engine and would be a half an hour late.
Then engine 2 an hour late, and engine 3 an hour and a half late.
Finally the Newfoundlander speaks up, "I hope they don't lose that last engine or we'll be up here all night"!
Don't like it, either did he, the guy next to me that didn't enjoy the emergency.
Look I was under pressure; I didn't have a plethora of material.
I was too busy watching what was going on!
We did secure heavy stuff in the cabin before the landing.
Everyone was helpful.
A passenger from up front spoke to the Pilots and came back to look at the wheels from the second last windows. We made ourselves as small as possible but we were in the way of the last windows.
His estimation was that they both looked down but they were different.
One of the guys next to me said "what’s he know about wheels", that struck me funny because I was more concerned if the guy was good at sesame street, "one of these things is not like the other".
The moral of the flight "Wings Good, Wheels not so Good!"
Dan
Doesn't the unique photo I posted of the landing before the fire dept. got there to foam at least prove I was a passenger?
I sat in the centre back, three seats there and one of the guys next to me wasn't enjoying the ride near as much as I was so to take his mind off it I told him airline jokes.
A plane flying over the Atlantic announces that they lost an engine and would be a half an hour late.
Then engine 2 an hour late, and engine 3 an hour and a half late.
Finally the Newfoundlander speaks up, "I hope they don't lose that last engine or we'll be up here all night"!
Don't like it, either did he, the guy next to me that didn't enjoy the emergency.
Look I was under pressure; I didn't have a plethora of material.
I was too busy watching what was going on!
We did secure heavy stuff in the cabin before the landing.
Everyone was helpful.
A passenger from up front spoke to the Pilots and came back to look at the wheels from the second last windows. We made ourselves as small as possible but we were in the way of the last windows.
His estimation was that they both looked down but they were different.
One of the guys next to me said "what’s he know about wheels", that struck me funny because I was more concerned if the guy was good at sesame street, "one of these things is not like the other".
The moral of the flight "Wings Good, Wheels not so Good!"
Dan
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Originally Posted by WasHighPing Duck
Hello all,
I don't see the thumbnaiils on my system but they do bring up the pictures for me, do they work for anyone else?
Thank you CW.
Dan
I don't see the thumbnaiils on my system but they do bring up the pictures for me, do they work for anyone else?
Thank you CW.
Dan
Dan -
Off the thread topic, but the same situation for me -- the thumbnails are just little squares with red 'x's inside. And clicking the boxes reveals your pictures.
Yet, Barit's pic appeared just fine.
Can anyone offer some suggestions (settings, etc.) that would enable the thumbnails to display on my laptop?
Thanks,
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Originally Posted by Zeffy
Dan -
Off the thread topic, but the same situation for me -- the thumbnails are just little squares with red 'x's inside. And clicking the boxes reveals your pictures.
Yet, Barit's pic appeared just fine.
Can anyone offer some suggestions (settings, etc.) that would enable the thumbnails to display on my laptop?
Thanks,
Zeff
Off the thread topic, but the same situation for me -- the thumbnails are just little squares with red 'x's inside. And clicking the boxes reveals your pictures.
Yet, Barit's pic appeared just fine.
Can anyone offer some suggestions (settings, etc.) that would enable the thumbnails to display on my laptop?
Thanks,
Zeff
You need to temporarily allow cookiies.. if you look at the bottom of your screen you will see a red circle with a line through it.. click on that and select the temporarily accept cookies.. and view away!!!
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21 occupants? I am a 1900 CA and about half of our 1900's have a 20th O2 mask. This limits our maximum passengers in those aircraft to 20 (at least one being a lap child.) I was just curious if anyone knows if Gulfstream's aircraft have two extra masks, therefore allowing for 21 pax?
By the way, lap children are counted as passengers at my airline.
By the way, lap children are counted as passengers at my airline.
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Originally Posted by West Coast
"Infant are not accounted as pax in the manifest"
Perhaps at your airline, but not at all airlines.
Perhaps at your airline, but not at all airlines.
I think it's in line with ICAO
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fwiw the 3M B1900d's come from a variety of carriers...including UAX cast off's. The incident closed the only main runway at KFLL for over 4 hrs and delayed a slew of flights that were suddenly overweight for the shorter diagonal runway...compounded by the fact there was only 1 tanker truck available to defuel the entire airport. Those that had not been fueled left light and flagstopped for fuel if needed. Further this was the second B1900D 3M gear incident in the last 6 months or so that blocked the main runway for a lengthy amount of time. As a result there is talk of sending these down to KMIA in the future which has far more concrete available to be closed without seriously impacting their operation.
