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Old 10th May 2006, 06:08
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As a mere layman in this part of the site, it is by no means the first time the EMB has overun at a number of EU locations in addition to similar incidents worldwide for the reasons stated. My concern that with the law of averages this could or will lead to a fatal accident.
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Old 10th May 2006, 08:25
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Except this is not an overrun, therefore you should not include it in your average calculation as you attempt to stirr this slightly embarrasing but in terms of risk, non event.
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Old 10th May 2006, 08:42
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well said Kirkwall,this was obviously a silly accident and wrists will be slapped,but are the management going to turn around and tell us they are perfect?i think not!!still dont see how reversers would help seeing as it was a slip off a taxiway not a runway overrun
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Old 10th May 2006, 09:34
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mmmmmmh, the proximity of the aircraft to the turning area in the foreground (left) suggests to me that the crew may have started the turn correctly but quickly discovered that the steering deflection on this aircraft was limited to 50 degrees (i.e. pre-mod SB 145-32-0002) instead of the normally available 76 degrees.
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Old 10th May 2006, 09:51
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The aircraft is on the taxiway at Tegel, not on the runway, for what its worth.
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Old 10th May 2006, 10:07
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Just to correct, it is partially on the taxiway at TXL.
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Old 10th May 2006, 22:18
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And to give the whole picture, it is partially off the taxiway at TXL.

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Old 11th May 2006, 03:23
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Originally Posted by Denti
TXL is at the moment (dunno if they changed it today) restricted to the southern runway (08R/26L) and 08R was in use. On taxi for departure they apparently missed the taxiway to 08R and tried a 180 to return to 08R. Unfortunately the taxyway isn't very big.
No surprise they went off looking at the width of the taxiway.

Error? Better stated as "what they heck were they thinking?" It's hard enough doing a 180 on a taxiway with a small single engine a/c. Don't even think about it with a wheelbase that long.
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Old 11th May 2006, 06:27
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EMB145 Turning radius = 69 ft. 7 in (very impressive when sat upfront)!!

Pre mod - (A/C 1 to 23) = 95 ft .10 in

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Old 11th May 2006, 09:31
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This is a post mod aircraft.
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Old 11th May 2006, 09:55
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Perhaps the crew thought so too ? As the company manuals draw attention to the mod, this suggests that not all ac have been modded otherwise, why mention it ? There is no list of modded airframes in the manual
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Old 11th May 2006, 10:34
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So if the turning radius is 69ft. 7in. what is the minimum pavement width for a 180?
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Old 11th May 2006, 13:15
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Hmm, don't know about the EMB145 since i dont fly it, but i am impressed with the large turning radius. My good old 733 is listed with a turning radius of 43.3 ft (nose gear radius, wingtip and tail is a bit more of course) and needs a minimum pavement width of 64.6 ft for a 180.
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Old 12th May 2006, 07:48
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Chaps,

I've got to say that this is a total balls up on the crews part. Looking at the picture, the nosewheel on the 145 sits in front of the pilot. For it to have left the taxiway by such a distance is simply incredible!! They should have realised they were going to leave the paved surface long before they stopped.

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Old 12th May 2006, 09:16
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When I read this thread got me thinking
Our company minimum is 30m but had to look up the actual the min pavement required on my current type (DHC8 400) and its 84ft 5in (25.7m)
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Old 17th May 2006, 21:51
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I reckon the biggest telling off the crew will get is for not writing anything in the Tech Log.......
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Old 5th Jun 2006, 11:07
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Glad to see so many AAIB personnel in this forum
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Old 6th Jun 2006, 08:57
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CVR transcript ........

F/O... phew that runway was short.

Capt.... yeh but look how wide it was!!

Let's lighten up folks.
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