ATLAS 'T STRIKE!
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Yup, it sucks, you guys are no doubt getting screwed 5 ways to sunday, but very possibly a strike AT THIS PRESENT TIME just might be what the new folks in the kremlin are setting you up to do...surely the same AACS folks who are screwing you presently will now be in great demand, so stay where you belong, and use the MEL to it's greeatest possible extent...keep the mx logs full, and the EGT's high...let them find out how expensive pissed-off pilots really are....pls guys and gals step back and take a CLOSE look before you leap...
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Is THAT why you left Africa?! I guess your attitude shows the true colors of management everywhere. Fight the workers (pilots) until you can't do it anymore, then rape the company and open it under another name somewhere else. Sounds like LorenzoIchanBergtRobertson management 101. (or should I say TWA, Eastern, Mark Air, and...... Africargo, or City connexion or....)
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Is THAT why you left Africa?! I guess your attitude shows the true colors of management everywhere. Fight the workers (pilots) until you can't do it anymore, then rape the company and open it under another name somewhere else. Sounds like LorenzoIchanBergtRobertson management 101. (or should I say TWA, Eastern, Mark Air, and...... Africargo, or City connexion or....)
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Beav - we never had any labour problems at any of the companies I ran - probably because they were small enough that we could sort out any differences over the weekly braai. (BBQ to you Yanks).
You Atlas guys are definately special people, though. Not only do you steal EU pilots' jobs, but you start to cry about it when the balance is redressed through AACS/GSS; you renege on your "no unionisation in exchange for profit share" deal - then you cry when management cancels the profit share when you try and unionise; and finally, in the middle of a serious economic downturn/recession that is causing cargo operators to lay people off left right and centre, you guys want to go on strike for higher pay!!
Do you know what a lemming is? It describes perfectly the average Atlas pilot...
You Atlas guys are definately special people, though. Not only do you steal EU pilots' jobs, but you start to cry about it when the balance is redressed through AACS/GSS; you renege on your "no unionisation in exchange for profit share" deal - then you cry when management cancels the profit share when you try and unionise; and finally, in the middle of a serious economic downturn/recession that is causing cargo operators to lay people off left right and centre, you guys want to go on strike for higher pay!!
Do you know what a lemming is? It describes perfectly the average Atlas pilot...
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I'm willing to bet that the Atlas pilots will strike at the earliest legal opportunity, providing management doesn't have an epiphany. I don't think Atlas management can count on a Bush PEB to stop the strike, like will probably happen with a probable strike by American F/A's.
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Hey there Gov....then get your old rusty tristars and bid the BA contract yourself...it's funny the American company gets the contract, foots the bill for the fleet and ops costs, HIRES U.K. pilots, then you accuse them of "job stealing"...what's wrong with this picture...why dont all the EU pilots stay home and leave CX, GF, EK jobs to the people they belong to....don't get protectionist there gov, because especially one from your island country has no room to talk "sprechen se deutsch?"
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I've been trying to figure out if gov was a UK resident stealing African jobs, or a resident of SA stealing UK jobs. I am sure that he never "RAN" a real airline, although it appears he had a minor manager position at City Connexion. The rest were all like Caledonian Wings, virtual airlines. He sure is good at blaming others for his troubles though. Next it will be Delta mechanics fault that his Tri-stars won't ever fly. I heard the mechanics let them get too old. 
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Actually the only reason some folks ever could afford tritanics was the fact that the RB-211-524 series engine although high-tech, was a mx nightmare..unfortunately bolted to another high-tech mx nightmare of an airframe, but beyond any reasonable doubt, the most enjoyable 5000 HRS+ i EVER SPENT IN AN AIRPLANE...so let's blame it on the Brits...or the accountants that "amortized" the cost of writing them all off..mmmmmmmmm
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WASHINGTON, June 20 /PRNewswire/ --
The Master Executive Council of Atlas Air -- the highest governing body for a pilot group in the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA) -- announced today that 98.34 percent of their members authorized the MEC to call a strike in the event negotiations with management did not result in a satisfactory contract. Of the pilots eligible to vote, 95 percent participated in the balloting process (601 of 634 pilots).
The strike vote results were announced this afternoon by John Caputo, chairman of the Atlas pilots' Communications and Strike Preparedness committees, at the pilots' strike command center in Washington, DC. “Our crewmembers are unified in the desire to achieve a new contract that benefits both our professional quality of life and the company's financial bottom line,'' said Caputo. “And we remain committed to furthering the legacy of our late president/CEO and visionary Michael Chowdry to make Atlas one of the strongest and most financially viable international cargo airlines in the world. However, while we remain optimistic that our goals at the negotiating table can be achieved without a strike, our strike preparations are complete and we stand ready to support our membership if it becomes necessary.''
“From the onset of the negotiations process, the Atlas pilots have been absolutely committed to the goal of achieving a fair labor contract in a timely manner,'' said Philippe Fisher, chairman of the Atlas pilots' Negotiating Committee. “Our dedication to reaching this goal without any interruption in service to Atlas or its customers is unwavering. However, if a satisfactory agreement is not reached, our members' overwhelming and nearly unanimous vote in favor of strike authorization shows the Atlas pilots' are unified and will take the necessary steps to achieve this goal.''
“The Atlas pilots' leadership is immensely proud of the solidarity demonstrated by our crewmembers in this strike vote,'' said Capt. Gregory Amussen, chairman of the Atlas pilots' unit in ALPA. “In the light of current events, we look forward to the company presenting its economic and job security proposals at the negotiating session scheduled in Washington, DC, during the week beginning on June 25. The Atlas pilots stand fully committed to rapidly concluding and implementing a mutually beneficial collective bargaining agreement.''
Atlas' approximately 750 pilots and professional flight engineers have been trying to negotiate their first ALPA contract with management since April 2000. Negotiations are now being conducted under the auspices of the National Mediation Board, which may release the parties into a 30-day “cooling-off'' period once an impasse is declared.
Celebrating its 70th anniversary, ALPA is the world's oldest and largest pilots union, representing 66,000 members at 47 airlines in the U.S. and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at www.alpa.org .
SOURCE: Air Lines Pilots Association, International
The Master Executive Council of Atlas Air -- the highest governing body for a pilot group in the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA) -- announced today that 98.34 percent of their members authorized the MEC to call a strike in the event negotiations with management did not result in a satisfactory contract. Of the pilots eligible to vote, 95 percent participated in the balloting process (601 of 634 pilots).
The strike vote results were announced this afternoon by John Caputo, chairman of the Atlas pilots' Communications and Strike Preparedness committees, at the pilots' strike command center in Washington, DC. “Our crewmembers are unified in the desire to achieve a new contract that benefits both our professional quality of life and the company's financial bottom line,'' said Caputo. “And we remain committed to furthering the legacy of our late president/CEO and visionary Michael Chowdry to make Atlas one of the strongest and most financially viable international cargo airlines in the world. However, while we remain optimistic that our goals at the negotiating table can be achieved without a strike, our strike preparations are complete and we stand ready to support our membership if it becomes necessary.''
“From the onset of the negotiations process, the Atlas pilots have been absolutely committed to the goal of achieving a fair labor contract in a timely manner,'' said Philippe Fisher, chairman of the Atlas pilots' Negotiating Committee. “Our dedication to reaching this goal without any interruption in service to Atlas or its customers is unwavering. However, if a satisfactory agreement is not reached, our members' overwhelming and nearly unanimous vote in favor of strike authorization shows the Atlas pilots' are unified and will take the necessary steps to achieve this goal.''
“The Atlas pilots' leadership is immensely proud of the solidarity demonstrated by our crewmembers in this strike vote,'' said Capt. Gregory Amussen, chairman of the Atlas pilots' unit in ALPA. “In the light of current events, we look forward to the company presenting its economic and job security proposals at the negotiating session scheduled in Washington, DC, during the week beginning on June 25. The Atlas pilots stand fully committed to rapidly concluding and implementing a mutually beneficial collective bargaining agreement.''
Atlas' approximately 750 pilots and professional flight engineers have been trying to negotiate their first ALPA contract with management since April 2000. Negotiations are now being conducted under the auspices of the National Mediation Board, which may release the parties into a 30-day “cooling-off'' period once an impasse is declared.
Celebrating its 70th anniversary, ALPA is the world's oldest and largest pilots union, representing 66,000 members at 47 airlines in the U.S. and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at www.alpa.org .
SOURCE: Air Lines Pilots Association, International
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Hey BeaverDriver I just happen to be one of the 107 and I voted to STRIKE. However I could not help wondering, if we have 750 pilots--How come only 601 of 634 voted. Who are the other 136, are they all part of the Great and Glorius AAMT or what???? 
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(Wow that is a BIG ONE!!)
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El Guapo 747
(Wow that is a BIG ONE!!)
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Just a question. Could the furlough of so many Atlas pilots be in order to create company "hostages"? This happened at FEDEX and many other companies during heated negotiations. Sometimes layoffs are more than just layoffs: possibly hitting two birds with one stone?
The more financial losses a company can claim and the more human hostages it has (not to mention pilots' wives and children's education), the better position it seems to be in, IF at the bargaining table.
Good luck to ATLAS crewmembers.
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The more financial losses a company can claim and the more human hostages it has (not to mention pilots' wives and children's education), the better position it seems to be in, IF at the bargaining table.
Good luck to ATLAS crewmembers.
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Beaver Driver,
You call me a loser yet you request that I respect your picket line. Thankfully, many of your mainline colleagues that I meet on the line find your attitude counter-productive. As many of them continually say, why get the AACS guys off-side when we really want their support in this struggle against management. Like the referee says, play the ball not the man.....
You call me a loser yet you request that I respect your picket line. Thankfully, many of your mainline colleagues that I meet on the line find your attitude counter-productive. As many of them continually say, why get the AACS guys off-side when we really want their support in this struggle against management. Like the referee says, play the ball not the man.....
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Mary
Sorry. I don't think that any of you are interested in supporting us. Just as I don't think BALPA is interested in you guys any more. Can you honestly tell me you would allow yourself to be fired rather than fly struck cargo? Atlas has won your hearts and minds.....at least until they furlough you and lay off all your ground staff; but that will be a year or so.....we'll see.
The situation has changed; GSS, the DETR, and the BA retiree flying club have thrown a new wrinkle in to the works. I used to hope for your support, but meeting many of your fellow pilots here in MIA has convinced me that this idea is fruitless. Maybe YOU care about us and our struggle, but I'll tell you that the 10 I have met down here could care less about Atlas mainline pilots. In fact they are really interested in taking our jobs and flying when we strike. Guess they figure it will be the only way to get some of that flight time away from your chief pilot.
Sorry. I don't think that any of you are interested in supporting us. Just as I don't think BALPA is interested in you guys any more. Can you honestly tell me you would allow yourself to be fired rather than fly struck cargo? Atlas has won your hearts and minds.....at least until they furlough you and lay off all your ground staff; but that will be a year or so.....we'll see.
The situation has changed; GSS, the DETR, and the BA retiree flying club have thrown a new wrinkle in to the works. I used to hope for your support, but meeting many of your fellow pilots here in MIA has convinced me that this idea is fruitless. Maybe YOU care about us and our struggle, but I'll tell you that the 10 I have met down here could care less about Atlas mainline pilots. In fact they are really interested in taking our jobs and flying when we strike. Guess they figure it will be the only way to get some of that flight time away from your chief pilot.