BA to make U-Turn in their Business plan
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Hairybrain,
With regard to your comment, <Lots of you available equals no pressure on salaries to increase to attract you>
I suggest you do a little more research on this matter before you make such statements, this weeks copy of Flight International magazine will help give you a little insight.
Regards
Exeng
With regard to your comment, <Lots of you available equals no pressure on salaries to increase to attract you>
I suggest you do a little more research on this matter before you make such statements, this weeks copy of Flight International magazine will help give you a little insight.
Regards
Exeng
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Yeah, well hairbrain: why do I suspect that you just have to be a) a BA manager from flight ops or b) a man with a grudge? Could it be the utter factual inaccuracy of what you are saying allied to the gleeful arrogance with which you say it?
It's not that we can't take contrary opinions, more that we don't suffer fools gladly. BA's euphamistically named and smartingly arrogantly run "hold pool" is all but dry. Airlines throughout Europe are looking at a building shortage of both experienced candidates and worthy entrants to flight schools. Not that the facts should stand in the way of a good polemic from you, of course.
Why should this be, one has to wonder? I am so very gratified to see the eminent good sense and strong self esteem in young people today. In our airline, the younger pilots just wont take the c@@@p that's being handed down anymore. They look to a fair pay settlement and a sense of respect from the airline that reflects their responsibilities, training and the commitment that they made to get where they are. And guess what, all you free market thinkers out there: the market works! Many I have spoken to say that if these things aren't forthcoming not only will they leave, but they have made plans to achieve it.
As for new joiners: it's great for the profession that there has been a stream of motivated, decent and dedicated young people who want to come into it. Refreshingly, however, things have changed there too.
Young people making a career choice are, and have to be, highly aware of remuneration, lifestyle and prospects. Property values and the decline in state funding for any aspect of life demand it. Equally, it is a sellers market for them: someone with the skills and dedication to do this job has a lot of choice.
So, selling them the deal we have had: work up to 30% more for effective pay declines in real terms, and enjoy declining terms and respect from the airline on an annual basis just won't work any more. A "treadmill with a view" lifestye and being treated with disdain is a formula for a recruitment problem and yes, the word has got out to those young people and they are responding. Sure, we get people so motivated to fly that they join anyway, BUT, the crucial element is that they immediately get involved to change it for the better. The most motivated attenders at BALPA meetings that I have seen are the young pilots with 20 plus years of their careers to go.
So, as things across Europe are showing, the worm has turned, and this can, paradoxically, only be a good thing for both the profession and, in our case, for our airline itself too.
If BA has to make a U turn it can start with its entire ethos in the way it treats the people who make it happen, pilots yes, but all staff too. Southwest airlines could teach BA some very useful lessons!
It's not that we can't take contrary opinions, more that we don't suffer fools gladly. BA's euphamistically named and smartingly arrogantly run "hold pool" is all but dry. Airlines throughout Europe are looking at a building shortage of both experienced candidates and worthy entrants to flight schools. Not that the facts should stand in the way of a good polemic from you, of course.
Why should this be, one has to wonder? I am so very gratified to see the eminent good sense and strong self esteem in young people today. In our airline, the younger pilots just wont take the c@@@p that's being handed down anymore. They look to a fair pay settlement and a sense of respect from the airline that reflects their responsibilities, training and the commitment that they made to get where they are. And guess what, all you free market thinkers out there: the market works! Many I have spoken to say that if these things aren't forthcoming not only will they leave, but they have made plans to achieve it.
As for new joiners: it's great for the profession that there has been a stream of motivated, decent and dedicated young people who want to come into it. Refreshingly, however, things have changed there too.
Young people making a career choice are, and have to be, highly aware of remuneration, lifestyle and prospects. Property values and the decline in state funding for any aspect of life demand it. Equally, it is a sellers market for them: someone with the skills and dedication to do this job has a lot of choice.
So, selling them the deal we have had: work up to 30% more for effective pay declines in real terms, and enjoy declining terms and respect from the airline on an annual basis just won't work any more. A "treadmill with a view" lifestye and being treated with disdain is a formula for a recruitment problem and yes, the word has got out to those young people and they are responding. Sure, we get people so motivated to fly that they join anyway, BUT, the crucial element is that they immediately get involved to change it for the better. The most motivated attenders at BALPA meetings that I have seen are the young pilots with 20 plus years of their careers to go.
So, as things across Europe are showing, the worm has turned, and this can, paradoxically, only be a good thing for both the profession and, in our case, for our airline itself too.
If BA has to make a U turn it can start with its entire ethos in the way it treats the people who make it happen, pilots yes, but all staff too. Southwest airlines could teach BA some very useful lessons!
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VERY well said Loaded 1, i could not have put it better myself. The sooner the public are educated as to the extent of our proffesional qualifications, and the real hard work we do [ just finished third six sector early ]and the crap deal we get , which is not always our employers fault, then the sooner they will realise they are going to have to pay more for their tickets, just like other modes of public transport in order to adequatly reward and attract the ONLY PROFFESIONALS in the airline buisiness.
