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Maybe it's you who needs to wise up mandate. The single aviation market etc. that you describe might be a good idea. But it simply does not exist and isn't likely to for many years.
Wet leasing in the USA -with a very small number of tightly controlled exceptions is a no-no and "Fly America" blatantly discriminates against all non-US carriers. And what about the huge furore in Canada only last month when Air 2000 bid for a contract which was only a fraction of the size of the one discussed here?
Wet leasing in the USA -with a very small number of tightly controlled exceptions is a no-no and "Fly America" blatantly discriminates against all non-US carriers. And what about the huge furore in Canada only last month when Air 2000 bid for a contract which was only a fraction of the size of the one discussed here?
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E Cam. .In reply to your original point I think you will find that only qualified parties (AOC holders, trade bodies etc) are entitled to lodge a representation in response to a proposal such as this in the Official Record.
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It is not a level playing field.
Excel are able to compete on an unfair basis as they do not have to meet all the costs of ownership and employment during the slow winter periods that many of their competitors do.
How can you not care or are you all so far removed from reality?
It is also wrong to compare this with Brits flying abroad in places like Singapore, Hong Kong, UAE etc. as those nations NEEDED the ex-pats due to loack of native experience.
Jack the Lad
[quote] ever heard of the one; hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon, the little dog laffed....etc . . <hr></blockquote>
A well argued and reasoned point of view!!!!!!
Perhaps "I'm alright, Jack" Would be more appropriate!!!
Diesel8
[quote] As far as what the rules are in the US and the UK, well, that is something for you to change. Pressure your goverment, your appointed leaders, our unions! But, as the starter of this topic said, only one public response. Interresting!
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I think that this is what E cam is trying to suggest that we do, and there have been many posts on this forum on this topic. However people like Jack the Lad just do not seem to be in favour of this.
Funny that all the posts in the past have been very anti wet leasing and now all of a sudden most people seem to think that it is fair.
Has Tony Blair really knocked our British morale to such a low level as this?
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Excel are able to compete on an unfair basis as they do not have to meet all the costs of ownership and employment during the slow winter periods that many of their competitors do.
How can you not care or are you all so far removed from reality?
It is also wrong to compare this with Brits flying abroad in places like Singapore, Hong Kong, UAE etc. as those nations NEEDED the ex-pats due to loack of native experience.
Jack the Lad
[quote] ever heard of the one; hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon, the little dog laffed....etc . . <hr></blockquote>
A well argued and reasoned point of view!!!!!!
Perhaps "I'm alright, Jack" Would be more appropriate!!!
Diesel8
[quote] As far as what the rules are in the US and the UK, well, that is something for you to change. Pressure your goverment, your appointed leaders, our unions! But, as the starter of this topic said, only one public response. Interresting!
<hr></blockquote>
I think that this is what E cam is trying to suggest that we do, and there have been many posts on this forum on this topic. However people like Jack the Lad just do not seem to be in favour of this.
Funny that all the posts in the past have been very anti wet leasing and now all of a sudden most people seem to think that it is fair.
Has Tony Blair really knocked our British morale to such a low level as this?
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Skymarshall 1 seem to recall seeing lillte green A320's in ORD for the last couple of years..... .Are all the Britpilots not also classed as EU pilots, forgive me if i'm wrong, but couldn't they all apply to Excel, Air Atlanta and anyone else who happens to set up an airline in UK, unless you're all to good for these charter chappies.....
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fmgc - Excel have had the wit to realise that effectively shutting down in the winter is the key to survival in today's UK charter market. Which would you rather have - a summer job or none?
