SEXUAL HARASSMENT, Captain Inaudible & First Officer X
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This entire topic has caused high feelings on both sides: of particular interest though is that twofaced, having started this new thread, has not felt able to enter the debate further with some structured considered comments.
Instead he, or she, has adopted playground tactics. With that in mind, and the importance to all professional aircrew, male or female, of the relevance of this subject it is aposite to re-examine the evidence placed in front of us by both parties and conclude that MP was accused, maliciously, of harassing this individual.
We can also deduce that his immediate manager and the personnel officer did not handle the matter appropriately and that had FO "X" apologised on Jan 19 that the matter would have been closed there and then.
This highlights the ineffectiveness of the managers and the protocols within the company to deal with these situations; perhaps, being charitable, it was an entirely new, and quite unexpected situation they found themselves in. In addition, it highlights the arrogance of FO "X"; whilst she is content to "rise above" the comments and debate on this forum, she is not sufficiently mature to acknowledge her wrongdoing and apologise.
Am I alone in feeling that she has no right to assume the moral high ground?
If she feels able to announce to her managers that she is inclined to use the same tactic again what steps are being taken to avoid this? Will someone else have to suffer before she has her attitude adjusted?
Her managers have been placed in an invidious position; now that we all know what her aintentions are if she does try this again they will be held responsible for not taking adequate measures to rotect their other employees.
Instead he, or she, has adopted playground tactics. With that in mind, and the importance to all professional aircrew, male or female, of the relevance of this subject it is aposite to re-examine the evidence placed in front of us by both parties and conclude that MP was accused, maliciously, of harassing this individual.
We can also deduce that his immediate manager and the personnel officer did not handle the matter appropriately and that had FO "X" apologised on Jan 19 that the matter would have been closed there and then.
This highlights the ineffectiveness of the managers and the protocols within the company to deal with these situations; perhaps, being charitable, it was an entirely new, and quite unexpected situation they found themselves in. In addition, it highlights the arrogance of FO "X"; whilst she is content to "rise above" the comments and debate on this forum, she is not sufficiently mature to acknowledge her wrongdoing and apologise.
Am I alone in feeling that she has no right to assume the moral high ground?
If she feels able to announce to her managers that she is inclined to use the same tactic again what steps are being taken to avoid this? Will someone else have to suffer before she has her attitude adjusted?
Her managers have been placed in an invidious position; now that we all know what her aintentions are if she does try this again they will be held responsible for not taking adequate measures to rotect their other employees.
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"Am I alone in feeling that she has no right to assume the moral high ground? "
No I don't think so, however it would be nice if the female pilot in question responded to the accusations made against her...
"Am I alone in feeling that she has no right to assume the moral high ground? "
No I don't think so, however it would be nice if the female pilot in question responded to the accusations made against her...
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Why should she. As Twosides say in the opening post of this thread, the female pilot in question said "Rise above it". And I guess that`s exactly what she is doing. And, the female pilot in question did not start this nor the old thread. As far as I can understand, she has said what she has to say where she was supposed to say it.....In one manager`s office. That we find it interesting (if that`s what we do) to discuss this matter on pprune, can hardly be her problem.
Why should she. As Twosides say in the opening post of this thread, the female pilot in question said "Rise above it". And I guess that`s exactly what she is doing. And, the female pilot in question did not start this nor the old thread. As far as I can understand, she has said what she has to say where she was supposed to say it.....In one manager`s office. That we find it interesting (if that`s what we do) to discuss this matter on pprune, can hardly be her problem.
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Have I got this right? Let’s remove the genders for a mo’ and explore the issue, without favouring either party, but simply more or less as it’s been presented on both threads.
A First Officer, when things aren’t going quite to plan with (the generic ‘his’) training, accuses his Training Captain of inappropriate behavior in a one-on-one situation - (‘one on one’ as in where there are no other witnesses, and not in any other, shall we say ‘physical’ connotation).
But then, when confronted by his superiors/supervisors over this very serous accusation, the First Officer withdraws it and says that the behaviour that he cited never actually happened. However, when the (very senior, it would appear) Training Captain (for some strange reason[!]) asks for an apology from the First Officer for having made the admittedly false allegation, he refuses and (allegedly), says that if he ever finds himself in a similar situation again, he will employ the same tactic to divert attention away from (what some people perceive to be) his shortcomings.
Can’t help wondering where, in these times of Political Correctness, where this would have gone if the First Officer concerned had happened to be a white, Anglo Saxon male of the heterosexual persuasion and not, to quote the person who opened this thread, a “girlie girl”.
A First Officer, when things aren’t going quite to plan with (the generic ‘his’) training, accuses his Training Captain of inappropriate behavior in a one-on-one situation - (‘one on one’ as in where there are no other witnesses, and not in any other, shall we say ‘physical’ connotation).
But then, when confronted by his superiors/supervisors over this very serous accusation, the First Officer withdraws it and says that the behaviour that he cited never actually happened. However, when the (very senior, it would appear) Training Captain (for some strange reason[!]) asks for an apology from the First Officer for having made the admittedly false allegation, he refuses and (allegedly), says that if he ever finds himself in a similar situation again, he will employ the same tactic to divert attention away from (what some people perceive to be) his shortcomings.
Can’t help wondering where, in these times of Political Correctness, where this would have gone if the First Officer concerned had happened to be a white, Anglo Saxon male of the heterosexual persuasion and not, to quote the person who opened this thread, a “girlie girl”.
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Ladies and gents...
This is my company that is being "discussed",
and I know both the parties involved.
To be fair to MP, he always spoke to my chest( I am male) and having spoken to my other "male" companions who know him, they confirmed the same.
I always put it down to "shyness".
I can't say that I am too well acquainted with the lady involved, but have always found her most pleasant to deal with....
but this is still dirty laundry being chucked about....
Please deal with it in private, before the press gets wind of it...
As I said, it's my airline, and I, for one, am proud of it..
This is my company that is being "discussed",
and I know both the parties involved.
To be fair to MP, he always spoke to my chest( I am male) and having spoken to my other "male" companions who know him, they confirmed the same.
I always put it down to "shyness".
I can't say that I am too well acquainted with the lady involved, but have always found her most pleasant to deal with....
but this is still dirty laundry being chucked about....
Please deal with it in private, before the press gets wind of it...
As I said, it's my airline, and I, for one, am proud of it..
Chief PPRuNe Pilot
Due to the 'silly brigade' being unable to resist their infantile remarks (which have been deleted) it is time to close this thread. Any future discussion fo the issues, without specific references to identifiable individuals can take place in Aircrew Notices Forum.
