Low flying airliner over Bracknell, U.K.?
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Think it was a Conti 747, one eng fail during T/O, pitch was to hi and aircraft was failing to climb.
Crew lowered the nose and fixed the problem, however a close shave, many lessons that day.
Crew did a great job to save aircraft, think it was a Lady Capt.
Crew lowered the nose and fixed the problem, however a close shave, many lessons that day.
Crew did a great job to save aircraft, think it was a Lady Capt.
Actually the Continental crew could have made life much easier for themselves if they had turned 20° to the left and avoided Russ Hill.
We've had this conversation before but the problem was that the FAA would not allow an emergency turn within the net flight path whereas the CAA allowed such a manoeuvre provided that the bank angle did not exceed 15°. (To those of you who don't know what the net flight path is it is that portion of the flight that extends from an engine failure at V1 to 1500 feet above datum).
This meant that UK operators could come out of LGW on Runway 26 at much higher gross weights than their American brothers.
Nevertheless, I have often wondered what the conversation on the flight deck must have been like.
"Holy sh*t Al, we are going to get really close to that hill".
"Yeah but we are not allowed to turn to avoid it!"
It's a bit like saying "I don't mind dying but I would as sure as hell hate to lose my licence!"
We've had this conversation before but the problem was that the FAA would not allow an emergency turn within the net flight path whereas the CAA allowed such a manoeuvre provided that the bank angle did not exceed 15°. (To those of you who don't know what the net flight path is it is that portion of the flight that extends from an engine failure at V1 to 1500 feet above datum).
This meant that UK operators could come out of LGW on Runway 26 at much higher gross weights than their American brothers.
Nevertheless, I have often wondered what the conversation on the flight deck must have been like.
"Holy sh*t Al, we are going to get really close to that hill".
"Yeah but we are not allowed to turn to avoid it!"
It's a bit like saying "I don't mind dying but I would as sure as hell hate to lose my licence!"
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1 Some say a 777,but the local paper shows an A340 on their front page.
2 Egyptair
3 Heathrow
4 People say it was northbound at about 1500 feet..so probably arriving for 09L
All above very much hearsay and not worth the screen it is printed on!
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2 Egyptair
3 Heathrow
4 People say it was northbound at about 1500 feet..so probably arriving for 09L
All above very much hearsay and not worth the screen it is printed on!
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Thanks for information.
Think many posts, mention Departure.
Think this Airline has many many types in service, belive they even have more types than a British Airline.
I guess about 1/2 will come out in the wash......
Thanks for information.
Think many posts, mention Departure.
Think this Airline has many many types in service, belive they even have more types than a British Airline.
I guess about 1/2 will come out in the wash......
As a resident of a village south of Bracknell, I would be very interested in the source of this article or claim (and the facts)
Yes there have been some seemingly (to the laymen) low flights when EGLL using 09L/R ops, but nothing exceptional that I have witnessed.( Yes the GA traffic and odd vintage aircraft do fly around the area.)
One Bracknell resident quoted in a newspaper, but not one peep from anyone on board, I am sure if they had been exceptionally low, and wobbling about (press/witness words) there would have been someone who will have said something.
BUT, however, saying that, there seems to be some interesting press reports of UFO's in the north Bracknell area, maybe someone has been sniffing the xmas sherry a bit early.
Yes there have been some seemingly (to the laymen) low flights when EGLL using 09L/R ops, but nothing exceptional that I have witnessed.( Yes the GA traffic and odd vintage aircraft do fly around the area.)
One Bracknell resident quoted in a newspaper, but not one peep from anyone on board, I am sure if they had been exceptionally low, and wobbling about (press/witness words) there would have been someone who will have said something.
BUT, however, saying that, there seems to be some interesting press reports of UFO's in the north Bracknell area, maybe someone has been sniffing the xmas sherry a bit early.
Derekl:
What type of height finding system were you using?
When was it last calibrated?
What laboratory carried out the calibration, and where is the calibration certificate?
Sorry to single you out, but that's what I would say to anyone who said things like 'it was only at 1500ft'.
Reports from untrained observers like the one in the Bracknell News should be taken with a pinch of salt.
There is a retired scientist who lives near the place where I work; he apparently has a line drawn on his window; if an aircraft passes below that line, he claims it's too low and he complains. This has never been calibrated by an approved authority of course, but as he's a scientist, the local press and NIMBYs always believe him.
What type of height finding system were you using?
When was it last calibrated?
What laboratory carried out the calibration, and where is the calibration certificate?
Sorry to single you out, but that's what I would say to anyone who said things like 'it was only at 1500ft'.
Reports from untrained observers like the one in the Bracknell News should be taken with a pinch of salt.
There is a retired scientist who lives near the place where I work; he apparently has a line drawn on his window; if an aircraft passes below that line, he claims it's too low and he complains. This has never been calibrated by an approved authority of course, but as he's a scientist, the local press and NIMBYs always believe him.
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chevvron:
You have a fair and valid point, but what I said was
"I would guess, no more than 1500 ft AGL."
with the emphasis on guess.
I have a reasonable familiarity with aviation and, in particular, with the traffic patterns at Wycombe, and this was a most unusual event. FWIW, I've had a little experience flying light aircraft and, in happier days, been a guest on the flight deck of 744s many, many times. I think I can make a fair guess at an aircraft's height -- but you are of course correct, it was a guess.
But if he was at 1500' AGL, he would have been at 2000'+ QNH which would be OK for transiting the Wycombe ATZ
I share your dislike of the "retired scientist" with the line on his window and the laziness of the press who love an easy story from a pseudo-authoritative source.
My local paper loves stories about people "threatened" by "radiation" from "telephone masts".
You have a fair and valid point, but what I said was
"I would guess, no more than 1500 ft AGL."
with the emphasis on guess.
I have a reasonable familiarity with aviation and, in particular, with the traffic patterns at Wycombe, and this was a most unusual event. FWIW, I've had a little experience flying light aircraft and, in happier days, been a guest on the flight deck of 744s many, many times. I think I can make a fair guess at an aircraft's height -- but you are of course correct, it was a guess.
But if he was at 1500' AGL, he would have been at 2000'+ QNH which would be OK for transiting the Wycombe ATZ
I share your dislike of the "retired scientist" with the line on his window and the laziness of the press who love an easy story from a pseudo-authoritative source.
My local paper loves stories about people "threatened" by "radiation" from "telephone masts".
Hold on the Left gave a pretty good explanation on page 1. Why all the hypothesising?
There is a video on t'internet (somewhere) taken from the cabin of that Coa 747 out of Gatwick.
There is a video on t'internet (somewhere) taken from the cabin of that Coa 747 out of Gatwick.
