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all who care to know within ryanair about what happened.know that this is a load of horse **** and just an attempt to gloss over mols viciousness against pilots in general.
a sociopath cannot help himself and even when having committed the most heinous crime will always have the compulsion to justify his action or tell someone about it to check that i'm alright mate.
a sociopath cannot help himself and even when having committed the most heinous crime will always have the compulsion to justify his action or tell someone about it to check that i'm alright mate.
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A position where there is a disconnect between responsibility and authority is not sustainable.
Yet this 'faitgue demotion' is designed to reinforce the disconnect in the minds of every Fr pilot including Leo.
Yet this 'faitgue demotion' is designed to reinforce the disconnect in the minds of every Fr pilot including Leo.
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Even after the truth of this event is published ...
Remember what you said about Captain John Goss. He went to court and it turned out that there was not a scintilla of truth in Ryanair's claims. You, a professed line captain, took every opportunity to do to him exactly what Ryanair had done, which was to perpetuate false stories in order to to denigrate his character. Afterwards you claimed a Ryanair "victory", which is what you always do.
You are now doing your master's bidding once again. This time you started with an attack on the latest Ryanair target - remember your remark about "duvet days" and comments to the effect that the captain concerned could not be bothered coming to work? You threw the mud. But eventually it turned out that the pilot concerned has not missed work for any reason in well over a year. Do you care about the inaccuracy? Of course not.
The truth is of no interest to you. In fact is the contrary not the case?
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Leo,
relentless vitriolic personal attacks on one individual does not make the issues that concern FR pilots disappear. You're "talents" with a keyboard would be better employed answering the pertinent questions put to you in previous posts.
Let's start with this question: If IALPA is as irrelevant as you suggest, why is it that any mention of it induces paroxysms of fury from yourself? Your reaction very much suggests that FR is running scared of IALPA. It's rage level is reminiscent of a cornered rat lashing out, which is a rather apt analogy.
If it isn't, your slanderous comments are wholly unnecessary and very irrelevant.
Also your personalised attacks suggest a certain inadequacy of the size of the camels hump.
relentless vitriolic personal attacks on one individual does not make the issues that concern FR pilots disappear. You're "talents" with a keyboard would be better employed answering the pertinent questions put to you in previous posts.
Let's start with this question: If IALPA is as irrelevant as you suggest, why is it that any mention of it induces paroxysms of fury from yourself? Your reaction very much suggests that FR is running scared of IALPA. It's rage level is reminiscent of a cornered rat lashing out, which is a rather apt analogy.
If it isn't, your slanderous comments are wholly unnecessary and very irrelevant.
Also your personalised attacks suggest a certain inadequacy of the size of the camels hump.
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That memo from DOB is typical FR rubbish.
Just to refresh in your minds some of the actions of fr management in the past.
1. Senior FR Capt accused of making intimidating phone calls. Person to whom management alledged the phone calls were made to said he never received such calls yet FR management pressed ahead and ended up losing big in the High Court.
2. Former chief pilots daughter (f/o) correctly offloaded herself at an outstation due to a conflict with a Capt. FR management fired her. It ended up in the High Court.FR lost and ended up apologising to her in the Court!
3.Former head of the pilot body representing the DUB pilots was too much of a handful for MOL and his cronies. One issue that the company were refusing to budge on was having confirmed seats on FR flights for positioning crew on duty. Next time the guy turned up to position on duty, mols lackys fabricated a story about him refusing to position on a jumpseat, he was offloaded and later fired. At the Labour Court, FR couldnt produce any witness that heard him refuse to position on the jumpseat.
Is a pattern developing? Putting it mildly it is no great secret that difficulties exists between DUB based pilots and management over 800 conversions and continual breaches of the working agreement by management.It is obvious whats going on here. The guy in question was rumoured to be leaving, so FR saw their chance to once again try and send a message out to the rest of the pilots as to who is in charge and what will happen if you do not do as they tell you. If he is leaving why not do this to him anyway? As for the so called 'mandatory retrospective roster change' ask any FR pilot what this means (except the ones who made it up in this case to try and nail the guy )and they ll all say 'mandatory what'. It doesn't exist, if it did you ld have plenty of other crews in the doghouse as well.
Have flown with the guy in question many times, this is not his form and he s helped the company out on many occasions in the past. FR is a place where you are guilty until proven innocent(which doesn t matter in their eyes anyway).
Get with the programme.Why would they publish that crap on the company website, GRIM REPA you hit the nail on the head, more spin and propaganda!
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Just to refresh in your minds some of the actions of fr management in the past.
1. Senior FR Capt accused of making intimidating phone calls. Person to whom management alledged the phone calls were made to said he never received such calls yet FR management pressed ahead and ended up losing big in the High Court.
2. Former chief pilots daughter (f/o) correctly offloaded herself at an outstation due to a conflict with a Capt. FR management fired her. It ended up in the High Court.FR lost and ended up apologising to her in the Court!
3.Former head of the pilot body representing the DUB pilots was too much of a handful for MOL and his cronies. One issue that the company were refusing to budge on was having confirmed seats on FR flights for positioning crew on duty. Next time the guy turned up to position on duty, mols lackys fabricated a story about him refusing to position on a jumpseat, he was offloaded and later fired. At the Labour Court, FR couldnt produce any witness that heard him refuse to position on the jumpseat.
Is a pattern developing? Putting it mildly it is no great secret that difficulties exists between DUB based pilots and management over 800 conversions and continual breaches of the working agreement by management.It is obvious whats going on here. The guy in question was rumoured to be leaving, so FR saw their chance to once again try and send a message out to the rest of the pilots as to who is in charge and what will happen if you do not do as they tell you. If he is leaving why not do this to him anyway? As for the so called 'mandatory retrospective roster change' ask any FR pilot what this means (except the ones who made it up in this case to try and nail the guy )and they ll all say 'mandatory what'. It doesn't exist, if it did you ld have plenty of other crews in the doghouse as well.
Have flown with the guy in question many times, this is not his form and he s helped the company out on many occasions in the past. FR is a place where you are guilty until proven innocent(which doesn t matter in their eyes anyway).
Get with the programme.Why would they publish that crap on the company website, GRIM REPA you hit the nail on the head, more spin and propaganda!
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The worrying thing about all of this is, if they think they can demote someone for refusing to undertake an additional,unforseen,unplanned,but of course/ha ha/ perfectly legal & reasonable (& RYR really understand legal & reasonable !?!) EXTRA DUTY (as opposed to a - sorry you're running late we assume of course you won't walk off into the sunset to make your pub/tennis/whorehouse appointment type of scenario -)and I stress again EXTRA duty,then why not demote me for inconveniencing 756 passengers by declining to operate 4 sectors if they manage(unlikely!) to get a hold of me on my day off & make me an offer I can't refuse;seems like a perfectly plausible future extension of their current mind-set? Never mind what you think you were doing WE have spoken & YOU will shut the f*** up & do what you are told, ain't that about it Leo old chap?
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leo might be unaware that yesterday the dublin pilots will have traded their share options to the tune of more than 15,000 euros again negating ryanairs' bully boy tactics.
"right is might" baby "right is might" and all the money in the world will not buy these aholes the respect they crave.leo may the lord shine on your sad soul and then dispatch you in the down elevator with the other greedy bullies who have no respect for human rights and common decency.see you at the barbeque!
"right is might" baby "right is might" and all the money in the world will not buy these aholes the respect they crave.leo may the lord shine on your sad soul and then dispatch you in the down elevator with the other greedy bullies who have no respect for human rights and common decency.see you at the barbeque!
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A couple of humble questions.
It would seem that RYR are insulating themselves from retaliation by the individual with the fact that he has already resigned. Thus they expect him to keep mum and go quietly. Likewise, they expect his colleagues not have the energy to fight on his behalf; but boy, have they sent a message to anyone else contemplating the same.
1. Does anyone think RYR's response would have been the same if the individual had not been on his way out?
2. Any member of a crew can refuse a discretionary/madatory respective duty. What does anyone think RYR would have done to a lower ranked flight crew member?
It would seem that RYR are insulating themselves from retaliation by the individual with the fact that he has already resigned. Thus they expect him to keep mum and go quietly. Likewise, they expect his colleagues not have the energy to fight on his behalf; but boy, have they sent a message to anyone else contemplating the same.
1. Does anyone think RYR's response would have been the same if the individual had not been on his way out?
2. Any member of a crew can refuse a discretionary/madatory respective duty. What does anyone think RYR would have done to a lower ranked flight crew member?
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RAT 5 1- Yes, 2 - Out the door. Cloudscape, I took it that way as well, but as you know there are a few raw nerves around in our midst (understandably so) & I think you touched one.I think working for a bunch of aggresive sh*ts sometimes rubs off on us don't you? WHAT DO YOU MEAN ,YOU DON'T KNOW, WHATS YOUR F****NG PROBLEM!!! see, it's got to me now. . . .
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CamelhAir ,you re dead right. I must have had a temporary bout of madness. Ha Ha , the old famous FR victory, after getting the ass whooping of a lifetime, the sight of DOB on the steps of the High Court telling news crews that the outcome of the case was a great victory for FR and how they looked forward to having the pilot in question flying the line on the 800 asap was just too much to keep the tears of laughter in.
In his memo DOB says that their latest victim exercised poor judgement by saying he couldnt do the extra flights. So I guess now they decide for you whether you re fit to fly or not regardless of what you say.I would have thought the individual would be the best judge of that. Anyone starting to get worried?
Looking back over the posts, Leo Hairy Hole was the person who said the demoted Capt had resigned. The guy is still working there and has not resigned.More FR FACTS. Ha Ha!
DOB admits in the memo that they rely on the goodwill of crews rather than have standby crews available. I ld say goodwill in FR is a rare commodity after this fiasco.Must be why yet another plane load of pax were left stranded during the week. Great way of running an airline guys!
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In his memo DOB says that their latest victim exercised poor judgement by saying he couldnt do the extra flights. So I guess now they decide for you whether you re fit to fly or not regardless of what you say.I would have thought the individual would be the best judge of that. Anyone starting to get worried?
Looking back over the posts, Leo Hairy Hole was the person who said the demoted Capt had resigned. The guy is still working there and has not resigned.More FR FACTS. Ha Ha!
DOB admits in the memo that they rely on the goodwill of crews rather than have standby crews available. I ld say goodwill in FR is a rare commodity after this fiasco.Must be why yet another plane load of pax were left stranded during the week. Great way of running an airline guys!
ENJOYING A DUFF.
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Grimrepa - cashed my shares last week for €60k , I got in at the right time - the price has dipped since but my 60k pays for 4 conversions!!!
There's a full thread on the share options in Terms and Endearmeant.
There's a full thread on the share options in Terms and Endearmeant.
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Cloudscape, at their peak of €7.50 the options are worth €60k GROSS before you have to deduct cost of options,brokers commission and tax,leaving you with €36k net.
Therefore its great to hear that you and your management colleagues have reduced the cost of the conversion on the 800 to €9k from a rediculous €15k.(Especially for you cloudscape 36 / 4 = 9)
For those that dont know ,MOL increased the bond from 10k/2years to 15k/5 years overnight. When asked why he said it was a nice round number. When asked for a breakdown of the costs they refused to provide them.Later the senior pilots were intimidated with the threat of redundancy if they didnt sign up to it.
I m really looking forward to my €6k rebate just in time for Christmas.Thanks Cloudscape.
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Therefore its great to hear that you and your management colleagues have reduced the cost of the conversion on the 800 to €9k from a rediculous €15k.(Especially for you cloudscape 36 / 4 = 9)
For those that dont know ,MOL increased the bond from 10k/2years to 15k/5 years overnight. When asked why he said it was a nice round number. When asked for a breakdown of the costs they refused to provide them.Later the senior pilots were intimidated with the threat of redundancy if they didnt sign up to it.
I m really looking forward to my €6k rebate just in time for Christmas.Thanks Cloudscape.
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Grim,
Is that the 'pay everything yourself,mac donalds salary,no sector pay for first six months and half sector pay for second 6 months leaving you with about 1000 quid a month in your hand' offer or the restricted line trainer offer where you do the same job as a line trainer except they pay you shag all for the privilage.?
Trying REALLY hard to decide which one to recommend!
LANDLORD,ONE MORE DUFF.
Is that the 'pay everything yourself,mac donalds salary,no sector pay for first six months and half sector pay for second 6 months leaving you with about 1000 quid a month in your hand' offer or the restricted line trainer offer where you do the same job as a line trainer except they pay you shag all for the privilage.?
Trying REALLY hard to decide which one to recommend!
LANDLORD,ONE MORE DUFF.
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After not recieving a reply for some time I sent a fax (as per the instructions on the web site), I got an email in reply stating that ther was a problem with the Java script on my PC (no idea what that means, I'm not a techie).
Anyway it later transpired that I had been charged the £50 fee twice. When I enquired they said that the double charge was related to the Java script problem - I actually had applied twice.
They promptly refunded my second £50, and I have since recieved a date for an interview and sim assessment.
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Remember the above posting Cloudscape. If you joined in 2002 you don't have any shares. Whats the crack
After not recieving a reply for some time I sent a fax (as per the instructions on the web site), I got an email in reply stating that ther was a problem with the Java script on my PC (no idea what that means, I'm not a techie).
Anyway it later transpired that I had been charged the £50 fee twice. When I enquired they said that the double charge was related to the Java script problem - I actually had applied twice.
They promptly refunded my second £50, and I have since recieved a date for an interview and sim assessment.
Posted by Cloudscape May 2002
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Remember the above posting Cloudscape. If you joined in 2002 you don't have any shares. Whats the crack