Heavy Landing at YMEL?
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Heavy Landing at YMML?
ABC is reporting:
Plane emergency shuts Melbourne airport
Flights have been temporarily suspended in and out of Melbourne Airport after a Thai Airways airbus landed heavily.
It is believed two tyres burst when the plane landed about midday AEST.
There was also a small fire in the undercarriage of the aircraft, which has been put out.
Air Services Australia (ASA) says the plane has come to a stop at the intersection of two runways.
Thai Airways marketing manager Sue Marr says it does not appear anything was wrong with the plane.
"I understand there were no injuries but the aircraft is grounded for the time being, until it can be checked thoroughly," she said.
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Plane emergency shuts Melbourne airport
Flights have been temporarily suspended in and out of Melbourne Airport after a Thai Airways airbus landed heavily.
It is believed two tyres burst when the plane landed about midday AEST.
There was also a small fire in the undercarriage of the aircraft, which has been put out.
Air Services Australia (ASA) says the plane has come to a stop at the intersection of two runways.
Thai Airways marketing manager Sue Marr says it does not appear anything was wrong with the plane.
"I understand there were no injuries but the aircraft is grounded for the time being, until it can be checked thoroughly," she said.
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Thai Airways Flight 981 from Bangkok to Melbourne blew a tyre when it landed in a strong crosswind.
It became stranded at the intersection between two runways and started two small fires in the main landing gear. At least 12 planes were diverted from the airport or delayed.
There were 240 passengers onboard and Thai Airways said it blew two tyres. One report stated three tyres burst.
http://www.radarvector.com/2005/10/a...s-landing.html
It became stranded at the intersection between two runways and started two small fires in the main landing gear. At least 12 planes were diverted from the airport or delayed.
There were 240 passengers onboard and Thai Airways said it blew two tyres. One report stated three tyres burst.
http://www.radarvector.com/2005/10/a...s-landing.html
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from the Associated press, 0709 GMT
SYDNEY, Australia (AP) - More than 250 passengers were
evacuated from a Thai Airways jet after a tire blew,
sparking several small fires, during a hard landing
Wednesday at southern Australia's Melbourne airport, an
official said. No injuries were reported.
The Airbus A340 from Bangkok «landed heavily» on the
runway, blowing out a tire, damaging the plane's
undercarriage and sparking the fires, according to Ben
Mitchell, a spokesman for Airservices Australia, the
government's air traffic control authority.
None of the 253 passengers on board was injured, the
Melbourne Airport said in a statement.
Mitchell said the plane was smoking as it rolled down the
runway, prompting air traffic controllers to activate a
«crash alarm.»
Fire and emergency services crews approached the plane
within 90 seconds of landing and extinguished the small
fires, he said. All passengers were evacuated on an
external stairway and taken to the terminal by bus,
Mitchell said.
Mitchell said the plane's crew had not reported any
problems with the landing gear before touching down.
Graham O'Donohue, from Melbourne, said he watched the
plane's landing on his in-flight television monitor.
«In the last few hundred feet, the plane lurched over
and, based on what I was looking at on the camera, the
runway was over there,» he said, indicating that the plane
appeared to be diagonal to the runway.
«We hit the tarmac too hard. It was all pretty calm but
fishtailing gets a bit scary,» he added.
Danny Wong, from Mornington Peninsula in southern Victoria
state, said he feared for his infant daughter's safety as
he held her in his lap.
«We got thrown from side to side,» he said, adding that
it was the roughest landing he had experienced.
A spokesman for Australia's Transport Safety Bureau said
the Thai Airways jet had landed in heavy crosswinds and
that the incident was being investigated. He did not give
his name due to bureau policy.
The incident shut down Melbourne Airport for almost two
hours and many flights were delayed.
SYDNEY, Australia (AP) - More than 250 passengers were
evacuated from a Thai Airways jet after a tire blew,
sparking several small fires, during a hard landing
Wednesday at southern Australia's Melbourne airport, an
official said. No injuries were reported.
The Airbus A340 from Bangkok «landed heavily» on the
runway, blowing out a tire, damaging the plane's
undercarriage and sparking the fires, according to Ben
Mitchell, a spokesman for Airservices Australia, the
government's air traffic control authority.
None of the 253 passengers on board was injured, the
Melbourne Airport said in a statement.
Mitchell said the plane was smoking as it rolled down the
runway, prompting air traffic controllers to activate a
«crash alarm.»
Fire and emergency services crews approached the plane
within 90 seconds of landing and extinguished the small
fires, he said. All passengers were evacuated on an
external stairway and taken to the terminal by bus,
Mitchell said.
Mitchell said the plane's crew had not reported any
problems with the landing gear before touching down.
Graham O'Donohue, from Melbourne, said he watched the
plane's landing on his in-flight television monitor.
«In the last few hundred feet, the plane lurched over
and, based on what I was looking at on the camera, the
runway was over there,» he said, indicating that the plane
appeared to be diagonal to the runway.
«We hit the tarmac too hard. It was all pretty calm but
fishtailing gets a bit scary,» he added.
Danny Wong, from Mornington Peninsula in southern Victoria
state, said he feared for his infant daughter's safety as
he held her in his lap.
«We got thrown from side to side,» he said, adding that
it was the roughest landing he had experienced.
A spokesman for Australia's Transport Safety Bureau said
the Thai Airways jet had landed in heavy crosswinds and
that the incident was being investigated. He did not give
his name due to bureau policy.
The incident shut down Melbourne Airport for almost two
hours and many flights were delayed.
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It seems not unusual for some Asian operators to request runway 27 (the shorter runway at ML) for landing under strong crosswind conditions simply because it has an ILS, even though the weather is clear and the longer runway is into wind.
Runway 34 was into wind today and is much longer than 27 but does not have an ILS , only a PAPI. These operators do not like visual approaches on a clear day unless an ILS is there to help them. Interesting mindset?
A similar incident occurred a few years ago on Melbourne 27 to a Malaysian Airlines A310. Again a strong crosswind. In this incident the ATSB report revealed that at the flare the captain applied full wrong rudder in his attempt to touch down without drift. Damage to an engine pod and flap area occurred. It was not reported by the crew (loss of face?) but fortunately an alert ground staff member spotted the damage and the aircraft was grounded. A video of the Thai A340 "landing" appeared to show a wrong rudder input as well
Makes you wonder if simulator time could be better spent on practicing crosswind landings than box ticking regulatory exercises on autopilot.
Runway 34 was into wind today and is much longer than 27 but does not have an ILS , only a PAPI. These operators do not like visual approaches on a clear day unless an ILS is there to help them. Interesting mindset?
A similar incident occurred a few years ago on Melbourne 27 to a Malaysian Airlines A310. Again a strong crosswind. In this incident the ATSB report revealed that at the flare the captain applied full wrong rudder in his attempt to touch down without drift. Damage to an engine pod and flap area occurred. It was not reported by the crew (loss of face?) but fortunately an alert ground staff member spotted the damage and the aircraft was grounded. A video of the Thai A340 "landing" appeared to show a wrong rudder input as well
Makes you wonder if simulator time could be better spent on practicing crosswind landings than box ticking regulatory exercises on autopilot.
Confused of the UK here -which runway did he land on- reports and comments about the weather here seem to suggest 34 but the piccy on the associated thread, shows the RHS of the aircraft with the terminal in the background - in which case surely he ground to a halt on 16?
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I won't know for sure until I read the incident report at work tommorow but I think 27 is unlikely. The aircraft was parked on J and passengers disembarked. This is a long way from 27 with a gear on fire. The stuff about it coming to a stop on the intersection is also likely to be incorrect as that would have meant a landing on 34 (also a long way to go back to J to disembark) or an impossibly short landing run on 16/09/27. YMML Chart
I won't know for sure until I read the incident report at work tommorow but I think 27 is unlikely. The aircraft was parked on J and passengers disembarked. This is a long way from 27 with a gear on fire. The stuff about it coming to a stop on the intersection is also likely to be incorrect as that would have meant a landing on 34 (also a long way to go back to J to disembark) or an impossibly short landing run on 16/09/27. YMML Chart
The video (see other thread) was taken from the road which seems to be the one by the 27 threshold. Also the aircraft was crabbing (severely) to the right just prior to touchdown which is consistent with a 27 landing and a 50kt gusting crosswind down 34.
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It had to happen, courtesy of the Age Newspaper.
Terrified passengers watch themselves crash-land
"PASSENGERS aboard a Thai Airlines flight that fishtailed down a runway at Melbourne Airport after blowing a tyre yesterday said they knew before it landed that something was wrong.
Passenger Michael Hinchey from Wodonga said "it was just a normal approach but from the screen (facing him) you could tell the plane was not in the centre of the runway".
When the plane landed "it was out of control", Mr Hinchey said. "It just went bang and it was like it was on ice. I actually thought we were going to end up in the paddock."
The landing of Thai Airways flight 981 frightened its 253 passengers and caused major disruptions to airports and flights around Australia. Melbourne Airport was closed for two hours following the heavy landing, which also resulted in a small fire in the plane's undercarriage.
Flights about to land had to be diverted and others due to take off were grounded while airport officials made safety checks of runways and cleared debris. Disruption of domestic flights continued until the evening.
The plane swerved as it hit the runway and fishtailed all the way down the runway, Mr Hinchey said. His daughter Jane said: "I was a bit scared. I thought the plane was going to tip over onto one side."
Fred Mills, from Frankston, said: "It was always looking like a rough landing, even a thousand miles out."
"It really hit hard," he said. At the time it was "pretty scary" but the pilot did "a marvellous job" in the circumstances.
Danny Wong, from Dromana, who was nursing his eight-month-old daughter, Coco, said: "It was like he (the pilot) was zig-zagging and over-correcting."
The Hinchey family said passengers found out what had happened after they saw fire engines arriving and spotted smoke. They were kept in the plane for 45 minutes. Their hand luggage was spread over the tarmac and checked by sniffer dogs before they were taken by bus to the terminal.
Thai Airlines spokeswoman Sue Marr said that "crosswinds caused the aircraft to land heavily". Inspections of the plane by engineers were continuing. Passengers due to fly on the plane's 4.20pm flight to Thailand were last night waiting at the airport to learn when they could leave.
A spokesman for Air Services Australia said the airport closure resulted in the diversion or cancellation of 12 flights."
Terrified passengers watch themselves crash-land
"PASSENGERS aboard a Thai Airlines flight that fishtailed down a runway at Melbourne Airport after blowing a tyre yesterday said they knew before it landed that something was wrong.
Passenger Michael Hinchey from Wodonga said "it was just a normal approach but from the screen (facing him) you could tell the plane was not in the centre of the runway".
When the plane landed "it was out of control", Mr Hinchey said. "It just went bang and it was like it was on ice. I actually thought we were going to end up in the paddock."
The landing of Thai Airways flight 981 frightened its 253 passengers and caused major disruptions to airports and flights around Australia. Melbourne Airport was closed for two hours following the heavy landing, which also resulted in a small fire in the plane's undercarriage.
Flights about to land had to be diverted and others due to take off were grounded while airport officials made safety checks of runways and cleared debris. Disruption of domestic flights continued until the evening.
The plane swerved as it hit the runway and fishtailed all the way down the runway, Mr Hinchey said. His daughter Jane said: "I was a bit scared. I thought the plane was going to tip over onto one side."
Fred Mills, from Frankston, said: "It was always looking like a rough landing, even a thousand miles out."
"It really hit hard," he said. At the time it was "pretty scary" but the pilot did "a marvellous job" in the circumstances.
Danny Wong, from Dromana, who was nursing his eight-month-old daughter, Coco, said: "It was like he (the pilot) was zig-zagging and over-correcting."
The Hinchey family said passengers found out what had happened after they saw fire engines arriving and spotted smoke. They were kept in the plane for 45 minutes. Their hand luggage was spread over the tarmac and checked by sniffer dogs before they were taken by bus to the terminal.
Thai Airlines spokeswoman Sue Marr said that "crosswinds caused the aircraft to land heavily". Inspections of the plane by engineers were continuing. Passengers due to fly on the plane's 4.20pm flight to Thailand were last night waiting at the airport to learn when they could leave.
A spokesman for Air Services Australia said the airport closure resulted in the diversion or cancellation of 12 flights."
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"It just went bang and it was like it was on ice. I actually thought we were going to end up in the paddock."
What a cracker...that has to be added to the lazy journalist web page options!
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"it was just a normal approach but from the screen (facing him) you could tell the plane was not in the centre of the runway".
The photo of the PAX disembarking is definately on taxiway J. You can clearly see gate Echo 10 in the background (DJ terminal) & behind that is the Delta finger (INTL). Basically, a long way from RWY 27.
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OK Blueloo you'll have to explain to me why accurately (as far as anyone knows) reporting the comments of an eyewitness makes a reporter "lazy". I've always thought that was sort-of what they (we actually) were paid to do.
Now I can see why making prejudiced, knee-jerk remarks about subjects I don't understand on an anonymous forum might be considered intellectually "lazy". But I suppose that's different.
Now I can see why making prejudiced, knee-jerk remarks about subjects I don't understand on an anonymous forum might be considered intellectually "lazy". But I suppose that's different.
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The forward facing cameras can (do, in fact) alarm pax in a strong crosswind, and even moreso in very gusty conditions, as, in the first case, they can't see the runway until very late on finals if the pilot is laying off for drift, and when it's gusty, the pic jumps around quite alarmingly.
The company I work for have suggested to crews that it might be a good idea to have the purser turn the camera display in the cabin off in such conditions.
Re "shock! horror!, we were all gonna die!" pax accounts: it's a sad fact of life that editors scrap the boring, factual accounts given to them by their reporters and print or put to screen the more outrageous ones we all so hate to read. It's because they sell newspapers or bring in the viewers.
Not in any way suggesting that the Thai crew did anything short of a totally professional job in this case, (let's wait for the official report), but incidents like this, proving that the elements, the weather, or Mother Nature - whatever you want to call the environment we operate in daily - can still bite make me wonder about reports we've read only in the last few days that some airlines are suggesting a lessening of training requirements to meet the looming pilot shortage. Sometimes, (and 34 at MEL with a raging northerly and that damned windshear-inducing gully on short finals is a good example), it's necessary to be able to plonk your megajet onto the bitumen the old fashioned way without all the automatics doing most of it for you.
The company I work for have suggested to crews that it might be a good idea to have the purser turn the camera display in the cabin off in such conditions.
Re "shock! horror!, we were all gonna die!" pax accounts: it's a sad fact of life that editors scrap the boring, factual accounts given to them by their reporters and print or put to screen the more outrageous ones we all so hate to read. It's because they sell newspapers or bring in the viewers.
Not in any way suggesting that the Thai crew did anything short of a totally professional job in this case, (let's wait for the official report), but incidents like this, proving that the elements, the weather, or Mother Nature - whatever you want to call the environment we operate in daily - can still bite make me wonder about reports we've read only in the last few days that some airlines are suggesting a lessening of training requirements to meet the looming pilot shortage. Sometimes, (and 34 at MEL with a raging northerly and that damned windshear-inducing gully on short finals is a good example), it's necessary to be able to plonk your megajet onto the bitumen the old fashioned way without all the automatics doing most of it for you.
Mea Culpa - guilty of not checking my facts again. The Thai incident was on 16 at Melbourne (well, at least there was a stinking crosswind so I was half right), and yes it was a Malaysian 747 not an AirBus on 27 a few years back. Apologies for duff gen.