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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 01:41
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Or is this a joke? Or for real? £50 for the privilege of applying to them?

New Ryanair Recruitment methods
For general information regarding Ryanair please see our main web-site.

As of 19th October 2001 our existing pilot recruitment database will be deleted and applicants are invited to submit a new on-line application via our web-site. All applications to this new database must include a £50 Sterling processing fee. Only those applications which include this fee will be accepted. No other applications will be accepted apart from on-line version, dont ring, don't fax, don't post, don't drop-off, this is the only way an application will be processed. You will be required to submit your credit card details * via the on-line application form and your application will then be considered for our ongoing recruitment needs. No other form of payment apart from credit card will be accepted, no cheques, no cash, no bank drafts. Your application will remain on our database for a period of one year.

* Please be advised that the Ryanair on-line pilot application form is not a secure data line at present

Our minimum criteria for submitting applications is as follows;

European or JAA Licence
Eligibility to work in the EU
A minimum of 300 hours total fixed-wing time
Multi-engine Instrument Rating
If you do not meet these criteria, then please do not apply, you will only be wasting your time and money.

Our selection process involves a review of applications received via our on-line database followed by an interview and Simulator Assessment. There will be a processing fee for both interview and simulator assessment of STG£50 and STG£150 respectively. It is our intention to acknowledge all qualified applicants (providing the processing fee has been paid) within 5 working days of receipt.
Please do not call, phone, fax, drop in, or e-mail the Human Resources Department directly as this will impede our ability to process all applications we have received to date. By submitting your on-line application you will have done your part, it's up to us then. Any information you may require regarding the recruitment / selection process will be contained within this introduction section which is updated on a regular basis.

GENERAL INFORMATION

Fleet

We currently operate a fleet of 21 Boeing 737-200's and 15 Boeing 737-800's. We will be adding an additional 8 Boeing 737-800's before Spring 2002. At that point we will have taken delivery of 23 of our 28 confirmed orders for Boeing 737-800's. We have also recently placed an advert in Flight International for 50 second hand Boeing 737's to meet our fleet needs as we continue to expand.

Career Progression

At a time when many airlines in Europe are reducing fleet sizes and crew numbers Ryanair are continuing to grow with the addition of a minimum of five new aircraft per annum we will be recruiting approximately forty pilots per annum. This unrivalled growth will create plenty of command opportunities so if you have the ability and you are willing to work hard and be flexible, there is no better airline to join than Ryanair.


Frequently Asked Questions

Q. Are Ryanair recruiting non type-rated pilots ?

A. We anticipate recruiting both Boeing 737 rated and non Boeing 737 rated pilots. Those pilots who are not type rated will initially be required to complete a Ryanair Boeing 737 type-rating Full Conversion Course, at a cost to the applicants of STG£15,000, and subsequently be hired as rated pilots.

Q. What criteria do I need to meet before I submit an on-line application form to Ryanair ?

A. Generally speaking we would only consider a pilot who meets the following criteria;
a minimum of 300 hours total fixed-wing time
European or JAA Licence
Multi-engine Instrument Rating
the unrestricted right to work anywhere within the EU


Q. Can I apply to Ryanair in a format other than the on-line application form ?

A. NO. We will no longer be accepting hard copy Curriculum Vitaes by post, fax, or hand. Only those on-line applications which include credit card details to apply the processing fee will be accepted.

Q. If I submitted an on-line application form previously will I be required to apply on-line again ?

A. YES. The existing Ryanair pilot recruitment database will be deleted effective 1st November 2001 and only those applicants on the new database will be considered for recruitment. There will be no exceptions.

Q. Do I need to regularly update my application ?

A. That's up to you. Only if your situation has changed significantly i.e. you now possess an additional type-rating, your total time has changed significantly, you have completed a Multi Crew Conversion Course etc. Submitting multiple applications will involve multiple processing fees so obviously chose carefully the timing of your application.

Q. What bases are Ryanair recruiting for ?

A. We have positions available in our bases in Stansted, Luton, Prestwick, Charleroi, Dublin and Shannon. We will also be opening a new base in the Spring of 2002.

Q. I don't possess the right to work in the EU, would Ryanair apply for a visa on my behalf ?

A. No. You will be wasting your time and money applying if you do not have unrestricted ability to work anywhere within the EU.

Q. Do I need to follow up my on-line application with a phone call ?

A. Definitely not. You will receive an e-mail confirmation within 5 working days of submitting your application.
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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 01:52
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HaHaHa...what'd I say!!?

Suckers!

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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 02:08
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If it is true I can“t believe it!!!!
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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 02:22
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Those pilots who are not type rated will initially be required to complete a Ryanair Boeing 737 type-rating Full Conversion Course, at a cost to the applicants of STG£15,000
Thats cost not bond
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I thought that such practices were illegal in the UK?? Anyone from BALPA or the IPA care to comment?
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..that is SO arrogant, no employer in any other circumstances would get away with such an attitude..
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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 02:59
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2500, Ryanair are NOT an UK airline, and anyway, since when was it illegal for an employer to ask for a certain qualification before offering a job?

<Island Air, not 737 rated!
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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 03:17
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And this is from an Airline which had an aircraft impounded at MAN due non payment of landing fees about 2 years ago.

What desperate pilots would apply to join this outfit anyway?
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156 Aer Lingus ones maybe?
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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 03:37
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Who f*cking cares!
Get a Life!
If YOU owned an airline that sold One Punt tickets, wouldn't YOU focus on all possible revenue streams?

Lets not be distracted kids.
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OK.. perhaps this is the sign of the times.. I'm a pure wannabee but presumably those of you who rely on the industry for your living may now have to fight for your jobs and those employers who choose to take that attitude will presumably get away with it if they so wish. Us mere SLF have relied on you in the past but you should not have to endure such arrogance in the wake of Sep 11th.
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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 03:40
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What a lovely advert for the company.

Aside from anything else, that page requires you to submit your credit card details over a link advertised as insecure. A better advert to hackers, I'd be hard pressed to imagine. Does that mean RyanAir will take responsibility if your credit card number is subsequently stolen as a result?

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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 03:54
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Having used Ryanair about ten times in the last two years, I consider them to be mediocre but cheap. Always like to support the up and coming underdog though.

Having read this application, I will never use them again.

Sorry to you guys and gals who work for them and the pubs in Dublin who will lose some custom. Someone has to have some sort of morals.
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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 03:59
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Just received this via email:-
Unfortunatly its true, and rumour has it there is a different payscale if you dont have an unfrozen licence. so 50 for the app, 50 for the pleasure of interview, 150 for the sim, then 15000 for rating and if your not unfrozen a reduced salary. Makes me proud to hold an irish passport! not..
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Old 22nd Oct 2001, 04:08
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Grow up, people - you want to fly for Southwest Airlines - the best employer in the United States according to numerous surveys?

Then go here. SWA Pilot Jobs - and you'll see that not only is there an administration fee (in common with almost all SU airlines) for applications; but you're required to come with a 737 rating - or at the very least least be prepared to get it (at your expense) if you're selected.

Southwest Airlines requirement on the B-737 Type Rating: Although preferred, a candidate may apply without a B-737 Type Rating. If a candidate interviews and successfully completes the entire selection process they have 6 months from that date to successfully complete a B-737 Type Rating course and obtain a B-737 Type Rating to be eligible for hire.
I suspect that most, if not all, European airlines will be watching this with great interest and if it's successful will have no hesitation in pursuing a similar tack with their pilots. BA in particular has apparently been looking at this for some time.

I believe that this is the precursor to piloting becoming a true profession - in other words, one where there will be far greater movement of personnel, each of whom will be employed strictly on the basis of ratings already held. In the same way that in the IT market the onus is on the individual to ensure that s/he is trained (at their own expense) on whatever the most sought after process is - SAP, RSA or whatever - then so it will be the responsibility of the pilot to obtain new ratings.

I also foresee the abolition of the seniority system, which will assist in the freedom of movement - people will be employed for specific roles in specific types; and when that type is no longer used their services will no longer be required.

The upside is that airlines will be prepared to pay more money to compensate for this - and for the cost of the benefits (medical, insurance etc) which will then become the individual's, and not the company's, responsibility.

Interesting times ahead, people!
 
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Makes sense, Guv. For too long it has been considered sacriligeous to question the supremacy of seniority in the workplace, but one has to remember that management derives all of the benefit (illusory IMHO) from such a system because restricting employee mobility ultimately depresses pay & benefits. We could well see more "free agent" arrangements for pilots but the airlines will have to get involved in financing the training (through loans or bonding) because the costs are prohitive for newbies; in IT it only takes a few thousand dollars to get qualified to earn a living and even then a lot of it is picked up by the employers.

As for the Ryanair and SW stunt I suspect it will be short-lived, since such barriers will ultimately lead to a pilot shortage as more wannabes decide to explore other career options. There may be plenty of operators stupid enough to try it but the law of averages dictates that there are still enough people in the industry with enough brains to recognize a non-starter when they see one.
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Needs must. I would never apply to them but then I have a job (at the moment). If I was out of work then I would probably cough up.

Many get into much debt for initial qualification. It is surely just an extension of that , more debt to land the job you want.

I can see major airlines charging a fee of some sort purely to weed out some of the many thousands of totally unsuitable applications that they must receive annually.

Sad but true!
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They might consider making these fees refundable to succesful applicants, if they are really just trying to weed out the totally unsuitable. However the whole thing is a total insult.It would be a better system than seniority, but I don't see any connection between the two, or how the Guvnor feels it will lead to the demise of seniority systems!
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Guvnor,

Just so that we're comparing Apples with Apples. A 737 type rating can be bought in the USA for something in the region of $6000. There is no groundschool element, you are just sent the books and are expected to pass the exams on the first day of your groundschool.

These courses do not meet JAA approval standards.

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Hmmm???
Oh, I see...
Not surprisingly the above is comming for a guy with a level of education lower then a door step...
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