Plastic Cutlery in J - The Indignity!!
Plastic Cutlery in J - The Indignity!!
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Tell me about it, i travelling MCO-LON with Virgin last Saturday in Upper-Class and had Plastic Cutlery.
Well i supose we will have to put up with these little changes.
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It's a disgrace!!!
Well i supose we will have to put up with these little changes.
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It's a disgrace!!!
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The irony is that if the plastic cutlery is strong enough to cut, say steak, it's going to be just as dangerous as the metal version. If it isn't, what's the point of it- we should just have our food cut up for us, and use chopsticks! 
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Baring the use of metal eating utensil’s is just part of the total stupid reaction by the authorities trying to shut the barn door after the horses have left. The genius’s coming up with these ideas has no concept of the aviation world.
The sad part is that these same authorities have now caused more damage to the financial stability of the aviation world then the terrorists had ever hoped to accomplish…
Well-done folks…
The sad part is that these same authorities have now caused more damage to the financial stability of the aviation world then the terrorists had ever hoped to accomplish…
Well-done folks…
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travelled lots recently in J and had to put up with plastic... anyone had the pleasure of First class plastic ?
Seems very silly when they still allow glass and bottles... anyone who's ever seen a decent bust up in a pub will have seen the effectiveness of a broken bottle as a weapon.
So does that mean that next thing will be Puilly Fuisse served out of plastic bottles in to plastic cups... aaaaarrrrggghhhh!!!!
Why is that those selected to regulate our industry, and come up with these silly ideas are generally either cast offs, or retirees ? Surely, we need the cream of the crop making sure all goes well....
Cheers
Z.
Seems very silly when they still allow glass and bottles... anyone who's ever seen a decent bust up in a pub will have seen the effectiveness of a broken bottle as a weapon.
So does that mean that next thing will be Puilly Fuisse served out of plastic bottles in to plastic cups... aaaaarrrrggghhhh!!!!
Why is that those selected to regulate our industry, and come up with these silly ideas are generally either cast offs, or retirees ? Surely, we need the cream of the crop making sure all goes well....
Cheers
Z.
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Five replies to a guvnor topic and he hasn’t been flamed yet 
where are the usual suspects???
dont tell me that this is also part of the changes we are just going to have to get used to (unfortunately i doubt it).
but seriously guv is usually first with the news be it humorous or serious.......... and sometimes he’s accurate too.
the people that shout at him scare me a bit as in all probability they command aircraft but dont seem to have the concept of allowing someone to have an opposing viewpoint, CRM disasters waiting to happen. surely now more than ever tolerance and free speech should be valued.
I feel better now I’ve wanted to get that of my chest for ages.
guess I’ve made the poo list too now.
On the subject of J, rarely have the pleasure but wouldn’t care about cutlery, as long as they still serve better whisky than cattle class, otherwise whats the point....
where are the usual suspects???dont tell me that this is also part of the changes we are just going to have to get used to (unfortunately i doubt it).
but seriously guv is usually first with the news be it humorous or serious.......... and sometimes he’s accurate too.
the people that shout at him scare me a bit as in all probability they command aircraft but dont seem to have the concept of allowing someone to have an opposing viewpoint, CRM disasters waiting to happen. surely now more than ever tolerance and free speech should be valued.
I feel better now I’ve wanted to get that of my chest for ages.
guess I’ve made the poo list too now.
On the subject of J, rarely have the pleasure but wouldn’t care about cutlery, as long as they still serve better whisky than cattle class, otherwise whats the point....
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Zones - you're right. Even if the Pouilly Fuisse bottle on the trolley two feet from me doesn't break on the seat back, it's still as good as a baseball bat. I try to minimise the risk by reducing the contents and thus the weight of the said bottle.
BTW, anyone done LHR-NRT recently with the world's favorite? The new cuisine combined with the plastic cutlery is surely worth a small refund on the fare. Still, the sleeper beds more than make up for it
BTW, anyone done LHR-NRT recently with the world's favorite? The new cuisine combined with the plastic cutlery is surely worth a small refund on the fare. Still, the sleeper beds more than make up for it
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The commenabout Knee Jerk stupidity are correct.
I have flown Delta Bus Clas a couple of times since Sept and they have removed the knife and put a plastic one in BUT the spoon and fork are metal !!
Even the little old lady sitting next to me picked the fork up and said"I wouldnt like this in my throat "!!
I have flown Delta Bus Clas a couple of times since Sept and they have removed the knife and put a plastic one in BUT the spoon and fork are metal !!
Even the little old lady sitting next to me picked the fork up and said"I wouldnt like this in my throat "!!
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As many of you have said thus far, where exactly can one draw the line with this issue? Umbrellas, walking sticks etc. can also all be used as effective weapons.
The possibilities are infinite really, and as has been said by several people in the US since September 11th, if people really are determined to do something and are prepared to die doing it, what can really be done other than totally isolate those folks at the 'pointy end' of the aircraft...?
The possibilities are infinite really, and as has been said by several people in the US since September 11th, if people really are determined to do something and are prepared to die doing it, what can really be done other than totally isolate those folks at the 'pointy end' of the aircraft...?
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The plastic stuff on our flights does lower the feel of the product in my opinion. However unless you modified it I feel that you would be hard pressed to do much damage with it.
I do agree with "zones" and may of the other contributions to the debate that this is an example of panic measures. It would have been fairly difficult to do a lot of damage with our metal knives and forks (they didn't cut very well, anyway my last steak was so small it didn't need cutting!!!!!!!)and a broken glass or bottle would have more serious consequences.
The bottom line is that unless passengers are locked into their seat with no food, escorted to the loo etc their will always be something to damage someone with. I know of somebody who was injured when a pax accidently swung a heavy bag carelessly from the o/h locker.
I believe that the was ahead lies with the philosophy of keeping trouble makers on the ground and preventing those passengers who muck about on aeroplanes ever getting on one again.
Guess that thinking up all these ideas justifies the jobs of all the thousands of staff proping up coffee bars in water world!!!!
Safe flying
I do agree with "zones" and may of the other contributions to the debate that this is an example of panic measures. It would have been fairly difficult to do a lot of damage with our metal knives and forks (they didn't cut very well, anyway my last steak was so small it didn't need cutting!!!!!!!)and a broken glass or bottle would have more serious consequences.
The bottom line is that unless passengers are locked into their seat with no food, escorted to the loo etc their will always be something to damage someone with. I know of somebody who was injured when a pax accidently swung a heavy bag carelessly from the o/h locker.
I believe that the was ahead lies with the philosophy of keeping trouble makers on the ground and preventing those passengers who muck about on aeroplanes ever getting on one again.
Guess that thinking up all these ideas justifies the jobs of all the thousands of staff proping up coffee bars in water world!!!!
Safe flying
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IJ,
Sorry but even the locals here eat with the long pointy things, metal ones on nights out as I noticed last night. The problem is identifying the meat on your plate, but there are are specialist canine restaurants to choose from. Not so at 35,000 feet with the indigenous operators!
Nice to see Guv not getting the usual slagging, but of course the respondees to this thread are all SLF??
Regards, C-Dog
Sorry but even the locals here eat with the long pointy things, metal ones on nights out as I noticed last night. The problem is identifying the meat on your plate, but there are are specialist canine restaurants to choose from. Not so at 35,000 feet with the indigenous operators!
Nice to see Guv not getting the usual slagging, but of course the respondees to this thread are all SLF??
Regards, C-Dog
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If plastic knives, forks, spoons, and plates are OK, how about plastic explosive?
Mind you, that strap 'em in the seat idea sounds more like it. If we give them knock out pills, and strap them in tight we can cut out the frills like food, drink and entertainment and retain more of the revenue for re-investment. Oops sorry! That bean-counting course has had predictable effects.
To be serious, if all the thinking that is being put into these hilarious "security" precautions were put to good use on working out what the b*st*rds are really likely to try next we might be able to prevent another strike, whatever it may be. September 11 should never have happened in the first place - the perpetrators were already under surveillance but they still managed to carry it out.
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Mind you, that strap 'em in the seat idea sounds more like it. If we give them knock out pills, and strap them in tight we can cut out the frills like food, drink and entertainment and retain more of the revenue for re-investment. Oops sorry! That bean-counting course has had predictable effects.
To be serious, if all the thinking that is being put into these hilarious "security" precautions were put to good use on working out what the b*st*rds are really likely to try next we might be able to prevent another strike, whatever it may be. September 11 should never have happened in the first place - the perpetrators were already under surveillance but they still managed to carry it out.
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One of my spies tells me that BA from LHR-ABZ is now a packed lunch in a paper bag. No porcelain or even plastic cups now but paper-chuckaways.
Drinks still in metal tins and glass bottles though
Drinks still in metal tins and glass bottles though