DC-8 Tailstrike
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DC-8 Tailstrike
This happened a while ago.
A Cargo Lion DC-8 made a tailstrike during takeoffroll at Keflavik airport, Iceland.
Reportedly the captain controlled the loading of the plane. During taxi to RWY 11 the plane didnīt steer well but there was slush on the taxiways, so they had that to blame. During the takeoff the pilot was at the controlles. He had trouble keeping the nose on the ground and finally the nose went up and the tail struck the RWY with the stickshaker and various bells going of. The captain aborted the takeoff with full thrust reverse slamming the the nosewheel down. The plane then taxied back to the gate. It appears the plane was to rearwardly loaded. So they had to shift weight more forward.
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A Cargo Lion DC-8 made a tailstrike during takeoffroll at Keflavik airport, Iceland.
Reportedly the captain controlled the loading of the plane. During taxi to RWY 11 the plane didnīt steer well but there was slush on the taxiways, so they had that to blame. During the takeoff the pilot was at the controlles. He had trouble keeping the nose on the ground and finally the nose went up and the tail struck the RWY with the stickshaker and various bells going of. The captain aborted the takeoff with full thrust reverse slamming the the nosewheel down. The plane then taxied back to the gate. It appears the plane was to rearwardly loaded. So they had to shift weight more forward.
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As Cargo Lion always carried Loadmasters, I cannot see how that would have happen.
Though if you could give some more details like the date etc, maybe it would give the parties involved (if any!) the chance to reply.
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Though if you could give some more details like the date etc, maybe it would give the parties involved (if any!) the chance to reply.
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PanicButton,
Actually, the Captain didn't 'control' the loading.Asuming you mean the load sheet.No LoadMaster onboard at the time.Also the tail didn't strike, but the rear outflow valve did.No damage done.Also seriously doubt the ringing bells, this means a fire warning.
CargoRat,
Flew for about 2 years on a -55 with no Loadmaster.I did it myself.So shows that with the right people Loadies aren't needed.I think calling us amateurs is a bit unfair.And for your info, no i wasn't on the above mentioned flt.
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Actually, the Captain didn't 'control' the loading.Asuming you mean the load sheet.No LoadMaster onboard at the time.Also the tail didn't strike, but the rear outflow valve did.No damage done.Also seriously doubt the ringing bells, this means a fire warning.
CargoRat,
Flew for about 2 years on a -55 with no Loadmaster.I did it myself.So shows that with the right people Loadies aren't needed.I think calling us amateurs is a bit unfair.And for your info, no i wasn't on the above mentioned flt.
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Well what would you call a tail strike then?If you hit the outflow valve that is definitely classified as a tailstrike. And on a 62 of all aircraft.Lucky they did not crash.Sounds like another ridiculous incident where the captain did serious damage to #1 engine on landing and then claimed the landing was under control and expressed surprise at the damage.
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I have the above info. from the Commercial Pilot Association of Iceland newsletter. Where there where two Icelandair pilots deadheading whith the Cargo Lion Plane to Lion. Needless to say after the tailstrike the Icelandair pilots called it the quits and went home. wheelchock yes this time there was no loadmaster and the captain controlled the loading. And for the record "I did not call them amateurs". Somebody else did. The newsletter doesnīt state the date but I could defenetly find out if you guys want.
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Sorry to interrupt here, but there's something I don't understand...
What's the point of revealing this info from the Iceland-something-newsletter ?
There's been no official investigation I believe. No recommendation. Nothing. Almost useless.
At least you waited until CargoLion disappeared before putting the rumour on PPRuNe.
What's the point of revealing this info from the Iceland-something-newsletter ?
There's been no official investigation I believe. No recommendation. Nothing. Almost useless.
At least you waited until CargoLion disappeared before putting the rumour on PPRuNe.
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Well I cannot comment on the 55 but the 61/63which both have the longer fusalages and have the skid, the 62 has none, but that does not matter. My question is what ever happend to the the F/E? In the absence of the load master it is normally his job no? And the first clue to a aft cargo loading/shift besides the possiblity of having a nose up attitude on the ground is the electrical/mechanical ground shift when the nose strut extends. The crew did a good job keeping it on the runway and stopping it though.
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Alright, I have had enough of you PALEBIRD! Are you the one commonly called N1, or WB, or the one gloved super dupper airline pilot that needs a rolex to fly straight?
Get a life
That's right folks, some pilots need gloves to steer the aircraft, and it must be a white glove at that!!
I have always said that you make your bed and sleep on it. Having been "expelled" from the company, you should keep your mouth shut and keep a low profile.
Consider your self lucky that the FAA never ....... (especially when an airline in Florida asked for references)
You were well taken care of in the company during your stay, why can't you be a man and be professional and stop insulting your "fellow" pilots? After all, you were part of the group and your comments reflect your true personality.....
Get a life
That's right folks, some pilots need gloves to steer the aircraft, and it must be a white glove at that!!
I have always said that you make your bed and sleep on it. Having been "expelled" from the company, you should keep your mouth shut and keep a low profile.
Consider your self lucky that the FAA never ....... (especially when an airline in Florida asked for references)
You were well taken care of in the company during your stay, why can't you be a man and be professional and stop insulting your "fellow" pilots? After all, you were part of the group and your comments reflect your true personality.....
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Well look. Somebody loaded that aircraft incorrectly. We've established that there was no Loadmaster to ensure that it was done properly. Stands to reason that the loadsheet will also have been wrong cg-wise. So someone was fiddling with something that they shouldn't have been fiddling with.
There is one other possibility though: the given weights might have been wrong.
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There is one other possibility though: the given weights might have been wrong.
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Thanks for clearing up this subject,Cargorat.I still don't understand what the fuss is all about, since this company doesn't excist no more.Have to agree with 'some'of the things that Alapt brought up.
My question for PaleBird is: when are you going to give up on this CargoLion syndrome, that you're suffering from?
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You could be right Rat. There are a number of possible scenarios.
The weights given may have been incorrect, therefore whoever it was "up-front" who completed the loadsheet would have had a perfectly acceptable trim when in fact the trim could be grossly out of limits.
There may have been an error in the recording of figures when they were entered on the Loadsheet.
The freight may even have been loaded in the wrong order by the load teams.
By carrying a Loadmaster there is someone who specifically deals with the loading which can be a complicated procedure (especially on older aircraft!). The guys "up-front" have plenty to do already without having to supervise the complete onload.
All the more reason to carry a Loadmaster to keep an eye on the ramp rats who, at times, have a very slack attitude to matters of aircraft safety. The aircraft isn't going to fall out from underneath them!
Would be interesting to know how much training the crew got on loading procedures and who it was down to, in the absence of the Loadmaster, to complete the trim. Did everyone have a go and the best trim was used?
The weights given may have been incorrect, therefore whoever it was "up-front" who completed the loadsheet would have had a perfectly acceptable trim when in fact the trim could be grossly out of limits.
There may have been an error in the recording of figures when they were entered on the Loadsheet.
The freight may even have been loaded in the wrong order by the load teams.
By carrying a Loadmaster there is someone who specifically deals with the loading which can be a complicated procedure (especially on older aircraft!). The guys "up-front" have plenty to do already without having to supervise the complete onload.
All the more reason to carry a Loadmaster to keep an eye on the ramp rats who, at times, have a very slack attitude to matters of aircraft safety. The aircraft isn't going to fall out from underneath them!
Would be interesting to know how much training the crew got on loading procedures and who it was down to, in the absence of the Loadmaster, to complete the trim. Did everyone have a go and the best trim was used?
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No there has been no official investigation since it happened only recently. The info. in newsletter was taken from the Icelandair pilots. Both first hand witnesses. Whats the point of revealing this info? Whats the point of this website?
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No there has been no official investigation since it happened only recently. The info. in newsletter was taken from the Icelandair pilots. Both first hand witnesses. Whats the point of revealing this info? Whats the point of this website?
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Top Loadie:Valid Points you have earnt your "spurs"?
It seems some companies value their crews including such obscure beings called F/Es and Loadies, some don't.
Just strange that Cargolion who had Loadies did not have one on this flight.Luckily the crew walked away this time.Remember the weakest link is the underpaid, mistreated grunt, AKA the RampRat.
It seems some companies value their crews including such obscure beings called F/Es and Loadies, some don't.
Just strange that Cargolion who had Loadies did not have one on this flight.Luckily the crew walked away this time.Remember the weakest link is the underpaid, mistreated grunt, AKA the RampRat.