Inadvertent Slide Deployment
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Praise be it. A little sensible moderation when one needs it.
You will find that Genghis the Engineer is a very valid and trusted poster in these parts.
Respected for what he says and does.
Therefore, a respectful and decent answer would not go amiss.
I would like to know about the true facts. I have ageing knowledge of the aircraft in question. However, I refrain from commenting in light of learning more recent knowledge from someone who is current.
An open mind where one can learn is far better than assumption on all counts in a safety critical business.
You will find that Genghis the Engineer is a very valid and trusted poster in these parts.
Respected for what he says and does.
Therefore, a respectful and decent answer would not go amiss.
I would like to know about the true facts. I have ageing knowledge of the aircraft in question. However, I refrain from commenting in light of learning more recent knowledge from someone who is current.
An open mind where one can learn is far better than assumption on all counts in a safety critical business.
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quote 'carloss'
"Come on, if cabin crew are allowed to operate those doors, how hard can it be" ....
Oh ,and of course if the pilots bring the plane down , and are not watching the sinkrate causing an almighty bang into the ground, they don't go into a state of denial over their mistake do they ???
Of course they do - everytime
"Come on, if cabin crew are allowed to operate those doors, how hard can it be" ....
Oh ,and of course if the pilots bring the plane down , and are not watching the sinkrate causing an almighty bang into the ground, they don't go into a state of denial over their mistake do they ???
Of course they do - everytime
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Lost-luggage - I have given a decent answer! This is what happened!
If you would like the causes of the blown slide then consider: the tech failiure of the interphone, the inexperienced/very keen juniour crew member who opened the door and the 60+ sectors per month the crew's are working (also known as human factors).
If you would like the causes of the blown slide then consider: the tech failiure of the interphone, the inexperienced/very keen juniour crew member who opened the door and the 60+ sectors per month the crew's are working (also known as human factors).
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If you worked on a Boeing for x amount of years, and opening a/c doors was nothing more than a routine to you,
then would you not expect that a certain amount of slides might be blown when operating a new type of a/c, with a completely different arming/disarming procedure?
Well forgive the person for being nothing more than human!!
And further more judging from the posts im guessing that most of you that have posted above us dont make mistake as your at the pointy end!!!!??
They ARE lucky that no one was injured as can quite easily happen in such incidents, but thankfully no one was, this should remind all cabin crew to make sure of the doors they are operating on are armed/disarmed correctly depending on the a/c.
How on Earth those trained to work the 3 types of a/c, remember each door day in day out, when most are worked to the bone these days is beyond me! Quite frankly im suprised it does not happen more often!
But lets shoot the person down anyway like so often happens here on pprune!
then would you not expect that a certain amount of slides might be blown when operating a new type of a/c, with a completely different arming/disarming procedure?
Well forgive the person for being nothing more than human!!
And further more judging from the posts im guessing that most of you that have posted above us dont make mistake as your at the pointy end!!!!??
They ARE lucky that no one was injured as can quite easily happen in such incidents, but thankfully no one was, this should remind all cabin crew to make sure of the doors they are operating on are armed/disarmed correctly depending on the a/c.
How on Earth those trained to work the 3 types of a/c, remember each door day in day out, when most are worked to the bone these days is beyond me! Quite frankly im suprised it does not happen more often!
But lets shoot the person down anyway like so often happens here on pprune!
kooyheier,
Have changed my first post and deleted the rest, good on you for the apology!
There is definitely something in this about multi sectors. I am sure if you are operating 4 sectors a day for 6 days there must be an increasing chance that familiarity and tiredness/boredom can put you in autopilot mode, and with distractions can cause these kind of mistakes.
Have changed my first post and deleted the rest, good on you for the apology!
There is definitely something in this about multi sectors. I am sure if you are operating 4 sectors a day for 6 days there must be an increasing chance that familiarity and tiredness/boredom can put you in autopilot mode, and with distractions can cause these kind of mistakes.
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A few years ago we were getting about one of these a month for 8 or 9 months. All flight attendant actions. Eventually enhanced training reinforcement got the better of the situation.
Was really a pain for me to get a relacement as sometimes they weren't available at the base and I would have to bring one in and explain status in the morning to the Mtce Super and Chief Pilot. Dangerous goods and all that. Brought one in from HKG once. Had a couple expedited through the raft shop - even that takes a considerable amount of time mostly due to inflation testing and packing.
I really hate slides blown for no good reason.
Was really a pain for me to get a relacement as sometimes they weren't available at the base and I would have to bring one in and explain status in the morning to the Mtce Super and Chief Pilot. Dangerous goods and all that. Brought one in from HKG once. Had a couple expedited through the raft shop - even that takes a considerable amount of time mostly due to inflation testing and packing.
I really hate slides blown for no good reason.
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Routine operations that become "non-standard" due to interruption, distraction, or other change are always fertile ground for "oopses".
This applies universally to all humans, cockpit, cabin, or ground variety. The phenomenon is exacerbated by fatigue, boredom, or stress.
In a nutshell, sh*t happens. The only antidote is to go into super-alert mode anytime routine is broken.
This applies universally to all humans, cockpit, cabin, or ground variety. The phenomenon is exacerbated by fatigue, boredom, or stress.
In a nutshell, sh*t happens. The only antidote is to go into super-alert mode anytime routine is broken.
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Ground Crew Error possible?
It is quite possible for a ground crew member to blow a slide - as when someone tries to open the door from the outside after the slide is armed - to deliver some last minute info etc.
This would also result in some choice words out of the cockpit window. Let's see.
This would also result in some choice words out of the cockpit window. Let's see.
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Not on the Bus as the slide is disarmed if the door is opened from the outside.
Also a factor, operating both aircraft together routinely Boeing- door armed- red strap across the viewing window. Airbus no such strap. Look up on the bus see no strap open door--oops.
The crew have to check with Flt deck before opening the doors Capt checks Ecam then says OK or not as the case may be.
Also a factor, operating both aircraft together routinely Boeing- door armed- red strap across the viewing window. Airbus no such strap. Look up on the bus see no strap open door--oops.
The crew have to check with Flt deck before opening the doors Capt checks Ecam then says OK or not as the case may be.
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All slides should/will are desigined to auto disarm if opened from the outside on both Boeing and Airbus. Otherwise that fireman to the rescue will disappear rapidly just when need most.
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just to let you know it is so easy to blow a slide, when you have done 6 days on 3 early and 3 late, and minimum rest all week and very late back and going into your day off, flying into discresssion and very tired. Then something happens out of the ordinary like a dispatcher knocking on the door once they are armed, and remember we are on auto pilot (meaning everything always the same) it is so easy although thank GOD i have never done this but been near to doing this. Dont blame crew put the blame on management for working us so hard. Luckily no one was hurt except for feeling, and a very fed up crew and angry captain. But remember anyone can do this, as we are only human, and its not just cabin crew that blow slides its also other members of the crew on board. So please dont criticize as it could be you next time. Also if you new the circumstances leading up to the last blown slide you might just feel some sympathy for the crew that who blew the slilde
just to let you know its very easy to blow a slide on the airbus especially when you are on day 6 on a late working into discretion and shattered, remember cabin crew also work on auto pilot (something happens out of the ordinary) ie a dispatcher knocks on the door, once armed its a natural reaction just to open the door. Remember we are only human after all. dont blame crew blame management because next time your flying and knackered it could be you.
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I spent 2 years working in the cabin on a bus and got myself into a habit early on to tap the arming lever twice with my hand before opening the door. The lever should stay in the 'up' position as the pin is in place to prevent it from moving. At the same time I could be looking outside to just check there really IS a platform there and that I wasn't hearing knocks that weren't there!
It is easy enough to blow slides and I know a couple of people that have done it, particularly after a long tour of duty. However since we know that crew (being human) are susceptible to this it might not be a bad idea to develop your own personal habits to do your best to ensure it doesn't happen to you!
Just a thought, safe flying (and door opening!) y'all...
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It is easy enough to blow slides and I know a couple of people that have done it, particularly after a long tour of duty. However since we know that crew (being human) are susceptible to this it might not be a bad idea to develop your own personal habits to do your best to ensure it doesn't happen to you!
Just a thought, safe flying (and door opening!) y'all...
FJ2k