EGLL/LHR Temp. Closed?
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Having just managed to get a break from the ops room at TC, I can confirm that one runway is now open again, after several aircraft have diverted. It has had a knock on effect, with Solent departures etc being held for a while and flow is now in progress.
The lack of staff is not helping
The lack of staff is not helping
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KL B763 stuck on 09R, not sure why, but they were putting steps up to the L1 when I was out that way. Already had a GPU attatched and were just hooking up the tug. Fire service and Police were also in attendance.
Runway closed and down to single ops on 09L then CX A343 had RTO from approx 80kts, fire service also attended this and followed a/c back to stand where it refuelled and has now gone again.
LHR Fire Service have been busy. Bet their pool table has never been so quiet.
Runway closed and down to single ops on 09L then CX A343 had RTO from approx 80kts, fire service also attended this and followed a/c back to stand where it refuelled and has now gone again.
LHR Fire Service have been busy. Bet their pool table has never been so quiet.
I read on airliners.net that it's a KLM 767 with some sort of fire on 9R and a CX 343 made an emergency landing on 9L.
Also the CX flight didn't make an emergency landing; it aborted its take-off.
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Right, lets deal in facts and not fiction.... There is already too much rubbish spouted about this sort of thing on Airliners.net and on here, so I will clarify some points for you
1)KLM do operate B767-300s into Heathrow. If you haven't seen one then you should spend more time at the airport. If you have seen lots of them then you should spend less time at the airport and more time in the pub.
2)Today one of them had a problem with wheel bearings on the main gear which seized whilst taxiing down 09R attempting to return to a stand. The Airport Fire Service attend these sort of things because when bearings and things seize they start to get very very hot indeed..... think metal on metal under duress
3)The Cathay A340 had a rejected take-off. Rejecting at a reasonable speed requires a healthy application of brakes.... these get hot.... the fire service attend (See above)
4)Runway 09L was used in a similar manner to Gatwick/Stansted, etc... i.e. one lands, one takes off
5)There was no collision between anything at all.... None, nothing, nichts!!
6)There was no landing aircraft with undercarriage problems
7)There was a period of having no aircraft arriving or departing from heathrow airport.... as a consequence of the two above mentioned problems
8)There was no KLM landing with wing problems (as mentioned elsewhere)
9)Nobody died, or was injured
10)The above events resulted in delays, and the creation of a sperm whale and a bowl of petunias (Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, its on at the cinemas)
11)There is no big deal about any of this. S**t happens
Any questions?
1)KLM do operate B767-300s into Heathrow. If you haven't seen one then you should spend more time at the airport. If you have seen lots of them then you should spend less time at the airport and more time in the pub.
2)Today one of them had a problem with wheel bearings on the main gear which seized whilst taxiing down 09R attempting to return to a stand. The Airport Fire Service attend these sort of things because when bearings and things seize they start to get very very hot indeed..... think metal on metal under duress
3)The Cathay A340 had a rejected take-off. Rejecting at a reasonable speed requires a healthy application of brakes.... these get hot.... the fire service attend (See above)
4)Runway 09L was used in a similar manner to Gatwick/Stansted, etc... i.e. one lands, one takes off
5)There was no collision between anything at all.... None, nothing, nichts!!
6)There was no landing aircraft with undercarriage problems
7)There was a period of having no aircraft arriving or departing from heathrow airport.... as a consequence of the two above mentioned problems
8)There was no KLM landing with wing problems (as mentioned elsewhere)
9)Nobody died, or was injured
10)The above events resulted in delays, and the creation of a sperm whale and a bowl of petunias (Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, its on at the cinemas)
11)There is no big deal about any of this. S**t happens
Any questions?
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No big deal, but both runways closed means poor buggers with cirrus fuel ended up elsewhere no doubt. Unlucky chain of events. Never commit to Heathrow.. imho.
I understand the Klm was on the runway for about 3 hours!
My flight was cancelled unfortunately as a result.
KN
I understand the Klm was on the runway for about 3 hours!
My flight was cancelled unfortunately as a result.
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And, at risk of stirring pots that had started to settle slightly, , this almost unheard of sequence of infrequent and unexpected events demonstrates only too clearly why the crew of the 3 engined BA 747 that was going in to MAN a few weeks back followed precise procedure and declared a Mayday before getting to the final approach stage. Not because they were in trouble, but to make ABSOLUTELY sure that they were not going to get into a potentially problematic scenario because of circumstances outside of their control.
Can't have a 2 runway airfield with both runways closed, so we won't cause problems by declaring it? Glad (a) he wasn't trying to get into LHR this afternoon, and (b) he did it by the book.
Looks to me like some of their actions were only too clearly vindicated by this scenario today.
(prepare for incoming)
edited to keep the spelling police happy
Can't have a 2 runway airfield with both runways closed, so we won't cause problems by declaring it? Glad (a) he wasn't trying to get into LHR this afternoon, and (b) he did it by the book.
Looks to me like some of their actions were only too clearly vindicated by this scenario today.
(prepare for incoming)
edited to keep the spelling police happy
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quote :Now, if Heathrow had a third runway.....................
Heathrow does have a third runway, its called 23 !!!
Heathrow does have a third runway, its called 23 !!!
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here the AIM from eurocontrol:
SUBJECT: HIGH DELAY DEST EGLL
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OPERATORS AND ATC UNITS ARE ADVISED THAT THERE ARE MAJOR DELAYS
IN THE FOLLOWING AREAS: ARRIVALS AT EGLL
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DELAYS ARE CAUSED BY DISABLED AIRCRAFT ON RWY
DELAYS ARE AS FOLLOWS:
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-------- ARE UP TO 60 MINUTES--------------
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FMD STAFF ARE CONTINUOUSLY MONITORING THE SITUATION AND WILL
ADVISE OF ANY POSSIBLE IMPROVEMENTS.
IN THE MEANTIME OPERATORS ARE STRONGLY REQUESTED NOT TO TELEPHONE
FMD HELPDESK ABOUT DELAYS WHICH ARE TYPICAL/AVERAGE.
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FMD BRUSSELS.
SUBJECT: HIGH DELAY DEST EGLL
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OPERATORS AND ATC UNITS ARE ADVISED THAT THERE ARE MAJOR DELAYS
IN THE FOLLOWING AREAS: ARRIVALS AT EGLL
.
DELAYS ARE CAUSED BY DISABLED AIRCRAFT ON RWY
DELAYS ARE AS FOLLOWS:
.
-------- ARE UP TO 60 MINUTES--------------
.
FMD STAFF ARE CONTINUOUSLY MONITORING THE SITUATION AND WILL
ADVISE OF ANY POSSIBLE IMPROVEMENTS.
IN THE MEANTIME OPERATORS ARE STRONGLY REQUESTED NOT TO TELEPHONE
FMD HELPDESK ABOUT DELAYS WHICH ARE TYPICAL/AVERAGE.
.
FMD BRUSSELS.
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I seem to remember in some of the threads discussing fuel, and the amount of contingency to be carried, there was some mention of different rules for airports (specifically LHR) that have 2 runways in cases when the weather is not expected to be a problem. Can someone knowledgeable about such things comment on this in the light of yesterdays double runway outage?
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The CX flight was 252. RTO at 110kts due to ATC instruction to stop. Following landing a/c also told to go around. Seems the single runway operation made ATC go for super-tight departures/arrivals and they stuffed it. No tyre damage, just hot brakes.
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<<made ATC go for super-tight departures/arrivals and they stuffed it>>
So speaks "cadet pilot" Mr Katana........ Hope you don't "stuff it" one day, my son.
For Curious Pax.... during my time in Heathrow ATC I often heard of crews who "anticipated" the other runway as a kind of alternate.. Extremely unwise as the departure runway is frequently not available for landing, not simply because of departures but there are often works going on which would prevent landings.
So speaks "cadet pilot" Mr Katana........ Hope you don't "stuff it" one day, my son.
For Curious Pax.... during my time in Heathrow ATC I often heard of crews who "anticipated" the other runway as a kind of alternate.. Extremely unwise as the departure runway is frequently not available for landing, not simply because of departures but there are often works going on which would prevent landings.
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HD...
This issue often crops up here. Whilst we know you are now retired, as either "Approach", "Director", or "Tower", if an aircraft familiar with LHR (e.g. BM or BA) makes no statement or emergency call about his fuel state, what would an ATCO, from his training, "expect" the aircraft to be able to do in terms of go-around, diverting, further radar circuit(s) etc. from just before touchdown ?
.... during my time in Heathrow ATC I often heard of crews who "anticipated" the other runway as a kind of alternate.. Extremely unwise as the departure runway is frequently not available for landing, not simply because of departures but there are often works going on which would prevent landings.
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NOD - I think a post by 'Kowloon' a few years back thoroughly explored this question and proved 'committing' to be generally something to be done with extreme caution
PS I never did it!
EDIT: Found it - by 'Antigua' - sorry 'Kowloon' here and followed up here
PS I never did it!
EDIT: Found it - by 'Antigua' - sorry 'Kowloon' here and followed up here
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Dude~
You obviously have a reading problem does this help:
Hi BOAC!
I in fact do it reasonably often, but to my own criteria, not my employers Like most things in life, you make you own judgements, while holding your own Plan B in mind... Too many follow the book blindly without really thinking through the possible consequences....
So did the KLM actually reject its take off or did it's bearing seize as it taxied on to the runway?
does this help:
2)Today one of them had a problem with wheel bearings on the main gear which seized whilst taxiing down 09R attempting to return to a stand
NOD - I think a post by \'Kowloon\' a few years back thoroughly explored this question and proved \'committing\' to be generally something to be done with extreme caution
Like most things in life, you make you own judgements, while holding your own Plan B in mind... Too many follow the book blindly without really thinking through the possible consequences....