bmi fokker fleet set to go to bmi regoinal
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bmi fokker fleet set to go to bmi regoinal
bmi are due to announce the timetable for transfer of its fokker fleet to bmi regional(ex bizzy air) with the whole regional operation to be run from Aberdeen. My source informs me that the flight watch(nobo)board has had its columns reduced from 20cm to10cm to accomodate the additional a/c. Aberdeen will also take over control of rostering for fokker fleet starting next month. As a by product of this move, the ABZ office will move to a new site by the end August.
By merging these fleets it will allow the transfer of Fokker f/o for command postions on the EMB145/135,and also movement from the145/BAe146 fleet to direct entry command on the Fokker.The CAA are insisting that Regional do not have more than 3 types on their new AOC, and as such the the SAAB phase out program will be accelerated, with all SAABs due to be gone by mid August.
All Guernsey flights will now be operated by Aurigny as a code share, with the Kirkwall&Sumbrugh flights transfered to Logan air using a wet leased SAAB from bmi Regional until the Autumn,one of the two remaining SF340Bs at LEEDS will be replaced by a wet leased EMB135 (SE-RAA) from the 1st June(GLASGOW/JERSEY) with an additional 135 (star alliance colours) due in August, and the wet leased aircraft being replaced in October. The formal annoucements on the above were held back until the(bmc)2/3 year 23.5% paydeal was agreed with the crew council.
Next on regionals v`bizzy(sic) agenda are new routes from ABZ to Norway,LBA to Germany&Belgium,GLA+EDI to Denmark and the establishment of a Manchester base for theEMB145/135,F70/100 in addition to the BAe 146.
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By merging these fleets it will allow the transfer of Fokker f/o for command postions on the EMB145/135,and also movement from the145/BAe146 fleet to direct entry command on the Fokker.The CAA are insisting that Regional do not have more than 3 types on their new AOC, and as such the the SAAB phase out program will be accelerated, with all SAABs due to be gone by mid August.
All Guernsey flights will now be operated by Aurigny as a code share, with the Kirkwall&Sumbrugh flights transfered to Logan air using a wet leased SAAB from bmi Regional until the Autumn,one of the two remaining SF340Bs at LEEDS will be replaced by a wet leased EMB135 (SE-RAA) from the 1st June(GLASGOW/JERSEY) with an additional 135 (star alliance colours) due in August, and the wet leased aircraft being replaced in October. The formal annoucements on the above were held back until the(bmc)2/3 year 23.5% paydeal was agreed with the crew council.
Next on regionals v`bizzy(sic) agenda are new routes from ABZ to Norway,LBA to Germany&Belgium,GLA+EDI to Denmark and the establishment of a Manchester base for theEMB145/135,F70/100 in addition to the BAe 146.
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Nacaduck(where did you dream that name up?)
Regional basing for the foreseable future.
SQ7000 EMA/MAN is best guess at present, then it depends on replacement a/c either EMB170/190 or Boeing 717`s delivery is the big problem for Embraer,also i think that the engines on the 717 are a RR based engine?,and the 170/190 is cfm, local politics at EMA dictate a preferance for RR
Regional basing for the foreseable future.
SQ7000 EMA/MAN is best guess at present, then it depends on replacement a/c either EMB170/190 or Boeing 717`s delivery is the big problem for Embraer,also i think that the engines on the 717 are a RR based engine?,and the 170/190 is cfm, local politics at EMA dictate a preferance for RR
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The prospect of new routes at LBA is interesting. Germany has been rumoured for a while but Belgium?? Wouldn't have thought we had the market to sustain two operators on the BRU route. If true though, perhaps they sense a market opportunity given Sabena's financial troubles.
IMO always thought BMI would fare best by pushing LBA pax through the Star hubs in FRA and CPH.
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IMO always thought BMI would fare best by pushing LBA pax through the Star hubs in FRA and CPH.
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Thanks INKJET,
I heard tell that EMA FK100/70 pilots where given the choice to stay or be based in LHR on the A320/1 with a possible MAN base after 6 months onto the A330.
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I heard tell that EMA FK100/70 pilots where given the choice to stay or be based in LHR on the A320/1 with a possible MAN base after 6 months onto the A330.
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Thats an incredibly good source you’ve got there Inkjet.
Opens a big can of worms.
If an ex-145 or 146 Captain joins the Fokker will he go onto the mainline payscale?
Presumably they would still be employed by BMC.
A Fokker F/O taking a command on the 145. Will they retain other terms and conditions from mainline? Will they have to start taking a packed lunch? Are there many Fokker F/Os who want a command on the 145?
If there are, its good news for those 145 Captains currently on the ‘transfer list’ to
LHR. At present they see no release date in sight as ABZ can’t replace them.
Will BALPA who currently negotiate T&C for Fokker pilots now be recognised by
BMI regional for all fleets? I’d be interested to hear from Fokker guys whether they feel they’ve had a good service from BALPA. See thread on TGWU versus BALPA.
With any luck the transfer of the Fokker fleet will help drag the T&C’s of current
BMC pilots up to a more civilised standard. But i’m not holding my breath.
Opens a big can of worms.
If an ex-145 or 146 Captain joins the Fokker will he go onto the mainline payscale?
Presumably they would still be employed by BMC.
A Fokker F/O taking a command on the 145. Will they retain other terms and conditions from mainline? Will they have to start taking a packed lunch? Are there many Fokker F/Os who want a command on the 145?
If there are, its good news for those 145 Captains currently on the ‘transfer list’ to
LHR. At present they see no release date in sight as ABZ can’t replace them.
Will BALPA who currently negotiate T&C for Fokker pilots now be recognised by
BMI regional for all fleets? I’d be interested to hear from Fokker guys whether they feel they’ve had a good service from BALPA. See thread on TGWU versus BALPA.
With any luck the transfer of the Fokker fleet will help drag the T&C’s of current
BMC pilots up to a more civilised standard. But i’m not holding my breath.
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Bash
What does it matter about scope clauses if the Fokker guys remain on BMI terms? Yes things have got better, partly due to the council but don't forget JRB did alot before he left. BALPA won't be the answer to all our problems but they may help our cause.
Its all very well saying we get crew food but wait till you get online in Hamburg. Its a rarity not the norm.
The transfer agreement also is not without its problems. Many questions are unanswered, long after the interviews. 146 crews have 14 months left and they don't have a clue what they will actually be offered. Time is short and they are being told to sit and wait whilst the economy is faltering. They have to look after themselves and their families, they can't wait until 2002 to be told you've got a 145 job as long as you move to EDI, LBA or ABZ! Their best advice is to get the best they can for themselves be BMC,BMI or anywhere.
Please don't rub your hands and say what a wonderful job the council have done when so many people have so much uncertainty over their heads. Your job has only just begun!
What does it matter about scope clauses if the Fokker guys remain on BMI terms? Yes things have got better, partly due to the council but don't forget JRB did alot before he left. BALPA won't be the answer to all our problems but they may help our cause.
Its all very well saying we get crew food but wait till you get online in Hamburg. Its a rarity not the norm.
The transfer agreement also is not without its problems. Many questions are unanswered, long after the interviews. 146 crews have 14 months left and they don't have a clue what they will actually be offered. Time is short and they are being told to sit and wait whilst the economy is faltering. They have to look after themselves and their families, they can't wait until 2002 to be told you've got a 145 job as long as you move to EDI, LBA or ABZ! Their best advice is to get the best they can for themselves be BMC,BMI or anywhere.
Please don't rub your hands and say what a wonderful job the council have done when so many people have so much uncertainty over their heads. Your job has only just begun!
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SQ7000 from 27th. Bit late as I've been away on multiple night stops as per normal F100/70 ops, but what you heard is not true. There was no choice, just a move date to LHR or of course you could do something else but not with BMI or BMC (at present! However coma, some of us suspectwhat you say may in fact become reality in the near future). The 6 months on the A320/1 is only to qualify for long haul (A330) but will be LHR based even though the a/c will initially be based out of MAN. There will be no pilots based there at the mo, though quite a few would stay with BMI if that was the case, but the current policy is only LHR pilot base. If you want to work out of LHR then things are good as A320/1 will be stamped on your licence but if you don't... then vote with your feet. As for BALPA looking after the interests of the BMI Foker fleet, we wait and see!
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Dear Bash, SORRY, "chocolate fireguard"
Congratulations and thank you for that fantastic payrise of 2.2% you fought so hard for us 146 crews. You are quite right to be smarting for a job well done when BALPA could only manage a measley 10% for bmi. Thanks.Also, where the hell did you get this "back every night" rubbish - hurry up and get your 146 rating and say "au revoir" to a stable homelife!!
Congratulations and thank you for that fantastic payrise of 2.2% you fought so hard for us 146 crews. You are quite right to be smarting for a job well done when BALPA could only manage a measley 10% for bmi. Thanks.Also, where the hell did you get this "back every night" rubbish - hurry up and get your 146 rating and say "au revoir" to a stable homelife!!