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FAA & CAA disagree over B747 continued 3 engine flight

Old 21st Jul 2005, 21:04
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bermondseya,

The last time I checked the T in ETOPS was for Twin.

That quote and this discussion is relevant to aircraft with 4 engines.

As for the fire crew, well actually I have experienced a situation where the fire crew on a practice alert to the terminal (across a runway) deposited some nicely rolled hoses just left of the centerline. Note no smiley here!

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Old 25th Jul 2005, 10:06
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DFC,

You brought them up, so you need to read your ICAO regs again.

5.2.9 says nothing about how many engines are on the plane, it could apply to a twin. But in any case..

5.2.9 says 'en route'. The BA had not yet entered the 'en route' structure, it was comfortably on the SID, i.e in departure phase.

I am sure somebody will now say it's en route as soon as it leaves for London. To which I will ask whether that includes during the taxi to the hold short line. And...

5.2.9 says 'The aeroplane shall be able... to continue'

We all know the plane is 'able' to continue, how do you think ferry flights work. The question is was it wise to do so with pax in the back, and does the FAA have authority to say what foreign carriers can do in it's airspace.

ICAO regs describe the bare minimum standards that international operators are expected to maintain. I like to think of them as being what Bongo Airways might aim for, not a carrier from a technologically advanced nation. Perhaps I am wrong to think this way, but I am sure the travelling public selects British Airways over Bongo Airways because of their perceived higher safety standards.

I'm with West Coast on this. I want to know how much fuel they had when they departed and what their planning was wrt fuel. Should be an interesting report.
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Old 25th Jul 2005, 15:24
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Here is a question;

For ETOPS, the system relies on having a diversion runway available within a certain time from anywhere on the planned route.

Lets say that a flight enroute diverts to an enroute aerodrome that everyone in the system at that time is relying on..........does everyone else turn back or re-route straight away because that diversion could (when it gets there) block the single runway they are relying on for ETOPS?

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