Manchester Security
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chrisnutter1
In the good old days when flight decks visits were allowed we often had obnoxious pax up on the flight deck asking stupid questions (not quite telling us at what speed to put the flaps down, but almost) but we would still be polite in our response about it.
In the good old days when flight decks visits were allowed we often had obnoxious pax up on the flight deck asking stupid questions (not quite telling us at what speed to put the flaps down, but almost) but we would still be polite in our response about it.
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From: LGW
Mikeyuk,
Can you please explain to me why i am not allowed to take nailclippers airside?
Fortunately i know the explanation you going to give me. It is categorized as a weapon. Maybe you can explain to me than why i am allowed to buy a glass bottle of wine and take this with me on the flight? If i smash this bottle during the flight i have got a more dangerous weapon than a set of nailclippers.
Regards, FT
Can you please explain to me why i am not allowed to take nailclippers airside?
Fortunately i know the explanation you going to give me. It is categorized as a weapon. Maybe you can explain to me than why i am allowed to buy a glass bottle of wine and take this with me on the flight? If i smash this bottle during the flight i have got a more dangerous weapon than a set of nailclippers.
Regards, FT
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From: LGW
Just a little bit off topic regarding MAN security.
I worked as a groundengineer on a big european airport after 9/11. Passenger were being security checked the way we are all so familiar with. But out of view of the passengers it was/is a different world.
Having to drive on landside to go to the maintenance area to pick up stores from the hangar. On the drive back you have to go through a security checkpoint before you are able to get airside. At the security checkpoint you would have to show your airport pass and you are able to proceed straight on to airside!!. Recently it has changed and they are now doing security checks on people as well. However after they search you they take a look in the car and only ask; "what have you got in there?". You normally answer with "aircraft spares" and you are able to continue. They never bother if you really have the items with you that you claim to have. They normally don't even bother to open the door of the car to have abetter look inside.
I am very aware that security is important but i pi$$es me of that we are almost strip searched while you know that on other parts of the airport people can bring al sorts of things airside.
FT
I worked as a groundengineer on a big european airport after 9/11. Passenger were being security checked the way we are all so familiar with. But out of view of the passengers it was/is a different world.
Having to drive on landside to go to the maintenance area to pick up stores from the hangar. On the drive back you have to go through a security checkpoint before you are able to get airside. At the security checkpoint you would have to show your airport pass and you are able to proceed straight on to airside!!. Recently it has changed and they are now doing security checks on people as well. However after they search you they take a look in the car and only ask; "what have you got in there?". You normally answer with "aircraft spares" and you are able to continue. They never bother if you really have the items with you that you claim to have. They normally don't even bother to open the door of the car to have abetter look inside.
I am very aware that security is important but i pi$$es me of that we are almost strip searched while you know that on other parts of the airport people can bring al sorts of things airside.
FT
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If the UK authorities were to get clued up and publish a definitive list of what's acceptable and what's not along the lines of our transatlantic cousins
http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlib...-1-2005_v2.pdf
then we could significantly reduce the small minded and officious pettiness (poorly disguised as "discretionary decisions") that we all have to endure at major UK airports.
And then if were to have a Code of Conduct for security procedures in the same way that Customs has about who has to repack your bag etc, we'd all know what to expect and there would an valid channel for justified complaints against the gooly-grabbers.
Just a thought.......
http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlib...-1-2005_v2.pdf
then we could significantly reduce the small minded and officious pettiness (poorly disguised as "discretionary decisions") that we all have to endure at major UK airports.
And then if were to have a Code of Conduct for security procedures in the same way that Customs has about who has to repack your bag etc, we'd all know what to expect and there would an valid channel for justified complaints against the gooly-grabbers.
Just a thought.......
Last edited by RevMan2; 7th April 2005 at 14:02.
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Well as nearly 60% of all aircraft outa MAN are on the turn around.
All the security bods will be please to know that there diligence is all for nothing. I am willing to bet out of those crew almost all of them have razors, cork screws, pen knives, screw drivers, metal nail file's etc etc. So you can get the arse with the local crew if you like. All the things you take off them are onboard the majority of aircraft on the apron.
And in the previous post Engineers can carry what they like.
At the point when security start searching the honey wagon properly when it comes airside is when I will believe that all the time and effort and pissed off people is worth it checking air crew.
MJ
All the security bods will be please to know that there diligence is all for nothing. I am willing to bet out of those crew almost all of them have razors, cork screws, pen knives, screw drivers, metal nail file's etc etc. So you can get the arse with the local crew if you like. All the things you take off them are onboard the majority of aircraft on the apron.
And in the previous post Engineers can carry what they like.
At the point when security start searching the honey wagon properly when it comes airside is when I will believe that all the time and effort and pissed off people is worth it checking air crew.
MJ
Last edited by mad_jock; 7th April 2005 at 20:57.
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From: mars
i agree madjock, the security bods / dtr make all the noise in front of the pax but why would i want to smuggle a 'plastic' weapon ( !) under my hat when 5 mins later i can talk to the engineer who is 'armed' with a screwdriver etc !
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PAX IN FLIGHT DECK
Yeah, I work down the back so I still get pax asking stupid questions about stupid things..... They are not aviation industry professionals (well most aren't) and we don't criticise the way they do their jobs!? Like i said every profession has arrogant 
we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush. If you pilots think you can do better give up your 60K a year job (or however much it is) and be a security officer earning £6 per hour!
Pay peanuts..... get monkeys?!
we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush. If you pilots think you can do better give up your 60K a year job (or however much it is) and be a security officer earning £6 per hour! Pay peanuts..... get monkeys?!
