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Aer Lingus Endgame

Old 28th Jan 2002, 20:33
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Unhappy Aer Lingus Endgame

With a possible strike action looming by pilots, could this be the final stab in the back for EI??. ...... .Aer Lingus pilots are today waiting to be told to begin industrial action over compulsory redundancies at the airline.

Balloting of IMPACT union members, totalling 540 pilots, is due to finish in the middle of next week.

A total of 300 Aer Lingus pilots have already cast their vote, according to IMPACT, and the union has said a "significant majority" of these are in favour of strike action.

IMPACT spokesman Mr Bernard Harbor told ireland.com its members were considering strike action because of the airline’s decision to let go of 80 pilots. Aer Lingus has already issued compulsory redundancy notice to ten people, he said.

Mr Harbor said should the protest go ahead, the most likely action would be a series of one-day strikes starting next month.. . <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
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Old 29th Jan 2002, 00:31
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Shamrock pilots must think very carefully about this move. Stand up and be counted now over a few jobs and some working conditions. Or, cave in and at least have a better chance of continued employment for all. Which way is best? Good luck to all!!
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The pilots in Aer Lingus have been treated so badly over the past ten years that many of them now feel it's make or break time.. .They have been abused and mistreated by bad managers plain and simple.. .Now when the company needs some flex there is nothing to give.. .It's not just about redundancies thats just the tip of the iceberg.. .It's good to see that the new CX still has that inbred pilot love of coffee...rumour has it he just spent 1000 euro on a new machine for his office.
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Now remember, lads, keep both feet close together.

(Then you will be able to hit both with one shot)
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Venice, I heard a rumour that said Coffee Machine cost more in the region of E4,000 and was bought because canteen coffe was usuitable for visiting clients!!! Now when did Airlines start winning contracts based on how good their coffee was???!!!
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Seems to me, that one and all should remember the action that Sabena crews had, although the end for Sabena was probably coming anyway..their action brought it sooner rather than later <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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Flame, Along with everybody else on this thread, you are missing the point. ALT is not honouring it's agreements with it's pilots and the pay and conditions they are trying to impose are so bad that the pilot body would rather see the company dead than accept them. Either way we will all be looking for new jobs unless IALPA/IMPACT are successful.
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Hope it's not a last straw breaking a Camel's back situation like Sabena ...
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Call_Belle...for that kind of money he could have hired one of our own beauties to make his brew..but then he probably has a locked door policy in his office at the moment..
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high & fast, an alternative view:

Shamrock pilots must think very carefully about this move. Stand up for their rights and be counted now, or cave in and let management walk all over them in the future.

At easyJet we will soon not have that option. Management have sent the BALPA Pilot Council off to find a form of words which will introduce a 'no strike clause' into the Agreement between BALPA and the airline. At least Aer Lingus have decided to ballot their members - a luxury not afforded to us!
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Dear SITW, you may as well not have a CC and Balpa if you introduce such a clause. Time for your CC to tell 'Easymanagement' where to go. Does anybody know if the ALT pilots have actually voted for Ind. action and if so what form will it take and when?
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The really bad news is that your frequent flyers are now abandoning Aer Lingus. Apparently people are using thier miles while they still have them to by flight with BA and AA.

And now, the end is near, thier calling in the final curtain........

Like the other guy said so well said feet together and pull
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Old 30th Jan 2002, 22:47
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Unconfirmed development just reported on RTE teletext:

[quote]There has been a major development in the Aer Lingus pilots dispute.. .It is believed the company will announce this evening that it is prepared to offer the same redundancy terms to captains as to other pilots and staff. The development comes on the eve of the results of the pilots ballot on strike action. <hr></blockquote>

. .<a href="http://www.rte.ie/aertel/p106.htm" target="_blank">Aer Lingus development</a>

I've added the text, as well as the url, because these pages get reused fairly quickly for fresh news stories.. . <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> IMHO this is nothing less than fair play.
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Old 30th Jan 2002, 23:25
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Looks like a good development alright... more on it is at <a href="http://www.onbusiness.ie/2002/0130/aerlingus.html" target="_blank">http://www.onbusiness.ie/2002/0130/aerlingus.html</a>
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Apparently IMPACT maintain there are still conditions in the Captains redundancy offer not specified in the other staffs offers
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Not so fast....more strings than a Victorias Secrets sale I'm afraid. The company want to fund the package via the remaing pilots thru work pratice changes. Sorry but my feet will be close together.
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I'll bet any money that when WW was a pilot he would not have stood for any of this bullsh*t! Cappucino anyone?? <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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Sorry about the numerous posts here, but this one should have WW crapping his (and everyone elses!)pants!

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IMPACT Aer Lingus pilots vote for industrial action

By Aoife O'Reilly Last updated: 31-01-02, 13:33

IMPACT pilots at Aer Lingus have voted overwhelmingly in favour of industrial action.

The pilots’ strike ballot was passed by 97 per cent as 475 of the pilots voted for the motion and 14 against. There was a 92 per cent turnout, IMPACT said.

The union, which represents 540 of the company’s pilots, has now challenged Aer Lingus management to withdraw compulsory redundancies. Ten notices have already been served on junior pilots and around 80 posts still need to be shed.

Speaking after the ballot result was announced, IMPACT’s Mr Bernard Habour said: "If the redundancies are not withdrawn it is likely we will announce some form of strike action in the next few days. This will probably be in the form of one-day strike action but that has not been decided yet".

A minimum of seven days notice must be given before any action takes place.

The result follows Aer Lingus management’s last-ditch offer to meet the pilots' demands over redundancy packages.

Before the ballot result was known, Aer Lingus said it had now offered the same terms to pilots and the ballot should be declared invalid. A spokesman said: "They have the precise same terms. There are no conditions that do not apply to every other member of staff".

He accused the pilots of refusing to sign up to the "essential" survival plan for Aer Lingus, drawn up when the company ran into financial difficulties. "This industry has fundamentally changed. If we do not change with it we will not have a business," he said.

But IMPACT had responded to the offer by describing it as a "publicity stunt".. . <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
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Great to see that there are pilots out there prepared to put up rather than shut up-fair play to them and I wish them luck.
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Prime Time RTE1 9:30pm Thursday night. Representatives from both Aer Lingus and Ryanair in studio, to discuss current going's on in aviation.

With the day that's in it, this could be worth watching.
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