Bombardier Accident at Teterboro
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Bombardier Accident at Teterboro
CNN and other US TV stations are reporting the crash of Bombardier CL600, N370V, at Teterboro, NJ. It appears to have crashed into a building at the end of the runway on take-off. No word on injuries yet. It appears to belong to Darby Aviation.
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The plane appears largely intact but has hit a brick warehouse building, does not look good for the occupants...
CNN is reminding viewers of another recent Challenger crash on takeoff in cold weather:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=153842
CNN is reminding viewers of another recent Challenger crash on takeoff in cold weather:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=153842
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CNN has a report here http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/02/pla....ap/index.html
11 injuries reported so far.
11 injuries reported so far.
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This could have been a major disaster.
The area a mile or two north on this heading is continous high rise apartment buildings and the Hackensack Hospital Medical complex.
Local news is mentioning ice as a possible cause, the temp was in the teens F. last night and this morning.
The area a mile or two north on this heading is continous high rise apartment buildings and the Hackensack Hospital Medical complex.
Local news is mentioning ice as a possible cause, the temp was in the teens F. last night and this morning.
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CNN interviewed a hospital spokewoman who said they had received two people with "minor injuries". She said one of the patients was a "flight attendant".
Looks like the plane went off the end of runway 6, it's 6013 feet long and 150 feet wide. The Strawberry's clothing warehouse that it hit is on the airport diagram across Highway 46:
http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...ms/00890AD.PDF
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...0836&name=KTEB
Both thrust reversers are deployed and the flaps appear extended on the wreckage. Fire has burned through the top of the fuselage, hopefully an evacuation occured before the flames spread.
Looks like the plane went off the end of runway 6, it's 6013 feet long and 150 feet wide. The Strawberry's clothing warehouse that it hit is on the airport diagram across Highway 46:
http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...ms/00890AD.PDF
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...0836&name=KTEB
Both thrust reversers are deployed and the flaps appear extended on the wreckage. Fire has burned through the top of the fuselage, hopefully an evacuation occured before the flames spread.
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Is it my imagination or do the Challenger series of bizjets seem to have a history with icing related mishaps on take off! The accidents at BHX and the one in the US a few weeks back with the TV sports exec on board are just two that immediatly spring to mind. I`m fairly sure there have been similar incidents/accidents with this type in recent years.
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From another web site.
N-number : N370VAircraft Serial Number : 1014
Aircraft Manufacturer : CANADAIR LTD
Model : CL-600 CHALLENGER
Engine Manufacturer : HONEYWELL
Model : ALF 502 SER
Aircraft Year : 1980
Owner Name : 448 ALLIANCE LLC
Owner Address : 2800 W MOCKINGBIRD LN
DALLAS, TX, 75235-5805
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 08-Feb-2002
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport
Let all hope for the best, most reports tell of 11 survivors.
N-number : N370VAircraft Serial Number : 1014
Aircraft Manufacturer : CANADAIR LTD
Model : CL-600 CHALLENGER
Engine Manufacturer : HONEYWELL
Model : ALF 502 SER
Aircraft Year : 1980
Owner Name : 448 ALLIANCE LLC
Owner Address : 2800 W MOCKINGBIRD LN
DALLAS, TX, 75235-5805
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 08-Feb-2002
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport
Let all hope for the best, most reports tell of 11 survivors.
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Plane Skids Off Runway, Crashes in N.J.
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: February 2, 2005
Filed at 9:56 a.m. ET
TETERBORO, N.J. (AP) -- A corporate jet sped off the end of a runway while attempting to take off from Teterboro Airport on Wednesday, hurtling across a highway during the morning rush hour and slamming into a warehouse. At least 11 people were injured and two were missing.
One witness said the pilot crawled out of the wreckage and said the crew lost control of the plane.
State police said two people were missing and 11 were injured in the crash. It was not immediately clear whether all those people were on the plane. The plane appeared to have struck at least one car.
It was headed for Midway Airport in Chicago, said Greg Martin, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration in Washington. Another FAA spokesman, Jim Peters, said the jet was carrying 12 passengers and two crew members.
One witness said the plane never made it off the ground after ``sliding and skidding'' down the runway.
``Usually we see them lift off, but this one just went straight and started scratching the ground. There were sparks shooting out all over the place,'' said Joseph Massaro, a psychologist who lives nearby.
Video from television station helicopters showed wheel tracks, plainly visible in snow, that ran straight off the end of the runway, through a fence and a snow bank and then across six-lane U.S. 46.
Witness Robert Sosa told WNBC-TV he saw the plane crash into the building.
``Two guys came off with their hand cuts,'' Sosa said. ``The pilot said he dragged himself out. He literally crawled out like a baby, and all the other people just walked out normal.''
``He said as they tried to airborne before five minutes past (7 a.m.), they just lost control and they couldn't airborne the plane. They went straight through, 100 miles per hour,'' Sosa said.
Martin said communication between the air traffic control and the aircraft was routine and the aircraft had been cleared for takeoff.
Martin identified the aircraft as a twin-engine Canadair Challenger 600, ``a type of small regional business/charter jet'' that can carry 12 to 15 passengers.
The building that was struck was described as a clothing warehouse, and there were no injuries there, Martin said.
State Police Trooper Stephen Jones said emergency management crews at the warehouse were conducting ``a rescue operation.''
``You act on that assumption until you know otherwise,'' he said.
Brenda Leahy, a spokeswoman at Hackensack University Medical Center, said five people, including the plane's co-pilot, were taken there. She did not know their conditions.
Two people, a flight attendant and a man who had been in a car, were taken to Holy Name Hospital in Teaneck, said hospital spokeswoman Katherine Kakogiannis. The flight attendant had minor injuries and she didn't know the condition of the other person.
The manager of the warehouse, owned by clothing company Strawberry, said he ran inside after the crash and helped firefighters make their way to the plane.
``You couldn't see anything inside. There was so much smoke it looked like fog,'' said Tommy Ficarra.
The FAA Web site says plane was registered to a company called 448 Alliance LLC, and gave an address in Dallas. Directory assistance has no company with that name, but does show a DDH Aviation at the same address. No one answered the phone there.
Nearly a year ago, on Feb. 26, a Gulfstream 3 registered to 448 Alliance rolled off a runway into the mud at Atlanta's Peachtree-DeKalb Airport after a snowstorm. No one was injured.
The airport, in the northern New Jersey suburbs 12 miles from midtown Manhattan, was closed after the crash.
Once used by weekend recreational fliers, Teterboro has grown into one of the nation's busiest small airports, catering to corporate jets looking to avoid the hassles of larger airports.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...ane-Crash.html
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: February 2, 2005
Filed at 9:56 a.m. ET
TETERBORO, N.J. (AP) -- A corporate jet sped off the end of a runway while attempting to take off from Teterboro Airport on Wednesday, hurtling across a highway during the morning rush hour and slamming into a warehouse. At least 11 people were injured and two were missing.
One witness said the pilot crawled out of the wreckage and said the crew lost control of the plane.
State police said two people were missing and 11 were injured in the crash. It was not immediately clear whether all those people were on the plane. The plane appeared to have struck at least one car.
It was headed for Midway Airport in Chicago, said Greg Martin, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration in Washington. Another FAA spokesman, Jim Peters, said the jet was carrying 12 passengers and two crew members.
One witness said the plane never made it off the ground after ``sliding and skidding'' down the runway.
``Usually we see them lift off, but this one just went straight and started scratching the ground. There were sparks shooting out all over the place,'' said Joseph Massaro, a psychologist who lives nearby.
Video from television station helicopters showed wheel tracks, plainly visible in snow, that ran straight off the end of the runway, through a fence and a snow bank and then across six-lane U.S. 46.
Witness Robert Sosa told WNBC-TV he saw the plane crash into the building.
``Two guys came off with their hand cuts,'' Sosa said. ``The pilot said he dragged himself out. He literally crawled out like a baby, and all the other people just walked out normal.''
``He said as they tried to airborne before five minutes past (7 a.m.), they just lost control and they couldn't airborne the plane. They went straight through, 100 miles per hour,'' Sosa said.
Martin said communication between the air traffic control and the aircraft was routine and the aircraft had been cleared for takeoff.
Martin identified the aircraft as a twin-engine Canadair Challenger 600, ``a type of small regional business/charter jet'' that can carry 12 to 15 passengers.
The building that was struck was described as a clothing warehouse, and there were no injuries there, Martin said.
State Police Trooper Stephen Jones said emergency management crews at the warehouse were conducting ``a rescue operation.''
``You act on that assumption until you know otherwise,'' he said.
Brenda Leahy, a spokeswoman at Hackensack University Medical Center, said five people, including the plane's co-pilot, were taken there. She did not know their conditions.
Two people, a flight attendant and a man who had been in a car, were taken to Holy Name Hospital in Teaneck, said hospital spokeswoman Katherine Kakogiannis. The flight attendant had minor injuries and she didn't know the condition of the other person.
The manager of the warehouse, owned by clothing company Strawberry, said he ran inside after the crash and helped firefighters make their way to the plane.
``You couldn't see anything inside. There was so much smoke it looked like fog,'' said Tommy Ficarra.
The FAA Web site says plane was registered to a company called 448 Alliance LLC, and gave an address in Dallas. Directory assistance has no company with that name, but does show a DDH Aviation at the same address. No one answered the phone there.
Nearly a year ago, on Feb. 26, a Gulfstream 3 registered to 448 Alliance rolled off a runway into the mud at Atlanta's Peachtree-DeKalb Airport after a snowstorm. No one was injured.
The airport, in the northern New Jersey suburbs 12 miles from midtown Manhattan, was closed after the crash.
Once used by weekend recreational fliers, Teterboro has grown into one of the nation's busiest small airports, catering to corporate jets looking to avoid the hassles of larger airports.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...ane-Crash.html
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Excerpts from the Associated Press:
It was headed for Midway Airport in Chicago, said Greg Martin, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration in Washington. Another FAA spokesman, Jim Peters, said the jet was carrying 12 passengers and two crew members.
One witness said the plane never made it off the ground after "sliding and skidding" down the runway.
"Usually we see them lift off, but this one just went straight and started scratching the ground. There were sparks shooting out all over the place," said Joseph Massaro, a psychologist who lives nearby.
Video from television station helicopters showed wheel tracks, plainly visible in snow, that ran straight off the end of the runway, through a fence and a snow bank and then across six-lane U.S. 46.
Witness Robert Sosa told WNBC-TV he saw the plane crash into the building.
"Two guys came off with their hand cuts," Sosa said. "The pilot said he dragged himself out. He literally crawled out like a baby, and all the other people just walked out normal."
"He said as they tried to airborne before five minutes past (7 a.m.), they just lost control and they couldn't airborne the plane. They went straight through, 100 miles per hour," Sosa said
One witness said the plane never made it off the ground after "sliding and skidding" down the runway.
"Usually we see them lift off, but this one just went straight and started scratching the ground. There were sparks shooting out all over the place," said Joseph Massaro, a psychologist who lives nearby.
Video from television station helicopters showed wheel tracks, plainly visible in snow, that ran straight off the end of the runway, through a fence and a snow bank and then across six-lane U.S. 46.
Witness Robert Sosa told WNBC-TV he saw the plane crash into the building.
"Two guys came off with their hand cuts," Sosa said. "The pilot said he dragged himself out. He literally crawled out like a baby, and all the other people just walked out normal."
"He said as they tried to airborne before five minutes past (7 a.m.), they just lost control and they couldn't airborne the plane. They went straight through, 100 miles per hour," Sosa said
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Eyewitness news now reporting everyone accounted for, no fatalities. One car occupant described as critical, copilot serious leg injuries, the rest 'minor'.
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KTEB is just about on my doorstep. Last nights METAR (UTC):
00:00 2 February 0.0 (32.0 ) -6.7 (19.9 ) 30.45 (1031) Calm
01:00 2 February -0.6 (30.9 ) -6.7 (19.9 ) 30.47 (1031) Calm
02:00 2 February -1.1 (30.0 ) -5.6 (21.9 ) 30.48 (1032) Calm
03:00 2 February -1.7 (28.9 ) -4.4 (24.1 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
04:00 2 February -1.7 (28.9 ) -4.4 (24.1 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
05:00 2 February -2.8 (27.0 ) -5.6 (21.9 ) 30.49 (1032) N 5 (8)
06:00 2 February -3.9 (25.0 ) -5.6 (21.9 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
07:00 2 February -3.9 (25.0 ) -6.1 (21.0 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
08:00 2 February -3.9 (25.0 ) -6.1 (21.0 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
09:00 2 February -5.0 (23.0 ) -7.2 (19.0 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
10:00 2 February -5.6 (21.9 ) -7.8 (18.0 ) 30.51 (1033) Calm
11:00 2 February -5.0 (23.0 ) -7.2 (19.0 ) 30.52 (1033) Calm
12:00 2 February -5.6 (21.9 ) -8.3 (17.1 ) 30.53 (1033) Calm
13:00 2 February -3.9 (25.0 ) -7.8 (18.0 ) 30.54 (1034) NE 3 (5)
14:00 2 February -1.7 (28.9 ) -7.2 (19.0 ) 30.54 (1034) NNE 8
Talking head on CNN is actually making some sense -speedbrakes/reversers deployed, looks like a high speed RTO. As far as I can make out they're saying 12 POB, 11 accounted for, 2 missing - presumably one of the two missing is on the ground, they took out a car on the way to the warehouse....
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00:00 2 February 0.0 (32.0 ) -6.7 (19.9 ) 30.45 (1031) Calm
01:00 2 February -0.6 (30.9 ) -6.7 (19.9 ) 30.47 (1031) Calm
02:00 2 February -1.1 (30.0 ) -5.6 (21.9 ) 30.48 (1032) Calm
03:00 2 February -1.7 (28.9 ) -4.4 (24.1 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
04:00 2 February -1.7 (28.9 ) -4.4 (24.1 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
05:00 2 February -2.8 (27.0 ) -5.6 (21.9 ) 30.49 (1032) N 5 (8)
06:00 2 February -3.9 (25.0 ) -5.6 (21.9 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
07:00 2 February -3.9 (25.0 ) -6.1 (21.0 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
08:00 2 February -3.9 (25.0 ) -6.1 (21.0 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
09:00 2 February -5.0 (23.0 ) -7.2 (19.0 ) 30.49 (1032) Calm
10:00 2 February -5.6 (21.9 ) -7.8 (18.0 ) 30.51 (1033) Calm
11:00 2 February -5.0 (23.0 ) -7.2 (19.0 ) 30.52 (1033) Calm
12:00 2 February -5.6 (21.9 ) -8.3 (17.1 ) 30.53 (1033) Calm
13:00 2 February -3.9 (25.0 ) -7.8 (18.0 ) 30.54 (1034) NE 3 (5)
14:00 2 February -1.7 (28.9 ) -7.2 (19.0 ) 30.54 (1034) NNE 8
Talking head on CNN is actually making some sense -speedbrakes/reversers deployed, looks like a high speed RTO. As far as I can make out they're saying 12 POB, 11 accounted for, 2 missing - presumably one of the two missing is on the ground, they took out a car on the way to the warehouse....
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From a news conference by Dr. Joseph Feldman of Hackensack University Medical Center, there were two pilots, five pax, two injured in a car and three bystanders taken to his hospital.
Sounds like everyone got out of the aircraft from his account...
Sounds like everyone got out of the aircraft from his account...
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Is it my imagination or do the Challenger series of bizjets seem to have a history with icing related mishaps on take off
I have no idea about this accident yet, I'm just responding to this "less than inspirational or enlightening" post. It's a very simple concept. DON'T ATTEMPT A TAKEOFF IF THERE IS ANY CONTAMINATION ON YOUR WINGS!! This basic idea applies to ANY aircraft, period. That said, a supercritical wing, with no slats must be respected even more. Canadair has used the same wing on over 600 Challengers and over 1000 CRJ 100/200 aircraft to date (the 700/900 have slats, but the same airfoil), and they aren't exactly falling out of the sky. The accidents/incidents that are known have all been Part 91 ops in the States, or carrier ops in China, where deicing is almost unknown. These largely unregulated types of flying are the cause of these crashes, not the aircraft themselves. People that follow the rules that have been around for 25years and more seem to have no problems. If the FAA would stand up to the rich folks and make them all follow the same rules as everybody else (i.e. Part 121, or even 135) these things likely wouldn't happen.
The next argument of course becomes "well I don't see king airs falling out of the sky, why didn't they build it like that?" The answer of course is that if you want to take these risks
for whatever special reason, you'd maybe be better off owning a twin otter and go globe-hopping at 140kts instead of a swept wing jet. (and no I'm not suggesting that it's safe to take off in a twotter with ice on the wings either)
The US has two very different climates in the winter.
Those flying in the South never have to bother with deice because if there's the least bit of snow, nobody can get to the airport because they can't handle it on the roads even if they can get the car started.
Then that good 'ol Southern boy who's never seen a hint of frost on the wings in his entire flying career takes a run up North and early one morning before the sun comes up does not run his hand over the wing
Those flying in the South never have to bother with deice because if there's the least bit of snow, nobody can get to the airport because they can't handle it on the roads even if they can get the car started.
Then that good 'ol Southern boy who's never seen a hint of frost on the wings in his entire flying career takes a run up North and early one morning before the sun comes up does not run his hand over the wing
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This is a group of people who are VERY lucky to be alive. There’s some video here of the accident scene (NOT the accident in progress) from a local new helicopter. Click on "Plane crash" under the second picture on the right side of the page. I didn’t bother with the sound, so I can’t say whether or not the voice-over will be irritating…
Looks like there were plenty of opportunities for this to go much more poorly for these folks this morning, including a localizer antenna (yeah, frangible… looks good on paper but I wouldn’t want to drive through one) which appears unscathed, a rather substantial road which might have had much more traffic on it, a smaller, brick building in front of the warehouse, and then the brick warehouse itself.
Amazing.
There’s also a quick shot of the end of the runway which gives the impression that antiskid was doing its job (doesn’t look like any rubber on it). But again—and this goes for all of my observations—I’ve looked at the video only once…
Looks like there were plenty of opportunities for this to go much more poorly for these folks this morning, including a localizer antenna (yeah, frangible… looks good on paper but I wouldn’t want to drive through one) which appears unscathed, a rather substantial road which might have had much more traffic on it, a smaller, brick building in front of the warehouse, and then the brick warehouse itself.
Amazing.
There’s also a quick shot of the end of the runway which gives the impression that antiskid was doing its job (doesn’t look like any rubber on it). But again—and this goes for all of my observations—I’ve looked at the video only once…
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I agree with Ranger One, this looks like a high speed RTO. With at least one broken wing (and maybe both), and fire from a nearby car, the cabin fire that followed, etc., it's only by the Lord's grace there was no immediate fuel fire (in fact no fuel fire at all it appears), giving everyone time to get out.
