exodus at emerald???
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I'm sure the CAA will go rushing up to EIN, this must be the first burst tyre in history, and it's certainly the first i've heard of
Sorry Jafo, thumbs down for that one mate, cut Emerald a bit of slack, tyres burst. However if what you are driving at in the post is substandard maintenance of aircraft, i would arm myself with VERY solid facts and put them to the CAA!
As for the exodus at Emerald, (and this isn't aimed at you jafo, but Emerald whingers in general) is there not threads running about an exodus at Flybe and Eastern. They (Emerald) are a turboprop operator and people go to get experience and move on. They have given you the experience to get a better job, paid you, and you are now slagging them off as people move on. That is so juvenile it really is amazing.
I should imagine the CAA and others will be looking even more closely at Emerald after one of our Sheds blew a tyre and left the runway at EIN last Friday. Glad to say the crew were unharmed, if shaken, and it's probably down to them that more serious damage was avioded.
Sorry Jafo, thumbs down for that one mate, cut Emerald a bit of slack, tyres burst. However if what you are driving at in the post is substandard maintenance of aircraft, i would arm myself with VERY solid facts and put them to the CAA!
As for the exodus at Emerald, (and this isn't aimed at you jafo, but Emerald whingers in general) is there not threads running about an exodus at Flybe and Eastern. They (Emerald) are a turboprop operator and people go to get experience and move on. They have given you the experience to get a better job, paid you, and you are now slagging them off as people move on. That is so juvenile it really is amazing.
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Wow, you've never heard of a burst tyre before - must have led a sheltered life
So what you're saying is that, simply because you may move on in 2-3 years (the average at the moment in Emerald), whilst you are there you don't have the right to complain about poor maintenance, illegal rosters or any other problems?
A little sad really. Especially considering the two incidents in the last 7 days. But by your remarks, we should accept the fact that we don't get rosters until after they have started, because, "hey, you just have to do the time". Is that right?
It's a little like the argument the school bullies used to use - The new kids get bullied by the older kids, because they got bullied when they were new, and so on. Just keeping the tradition going. Don't break the cycle. So at Emerald you keep quiet about what goes on, legal or otherwise, even if the lives of your friends or colleagues are put at risk, because that is what everyone has done before you.
Pretty despicable really. But so easy to preach sitting comfortably in your Airbus or Boeing.
So what you're saying is that, simply because you may move on in 2-3 years (the average at the moment in Emerald), whilst you are there you don't have the right to complain about poor maintenance, illegal rosters or any other problems?
A little sad really. Especially considering the two incidents in the last 7 days. But by your remarks, we should accept the fact that we don't get rosters until after they have started, because, "hey, you just have to do the time". Is that right?
It's a little like the argument the school bullies used to use - The new kids get bullied by the older kids, because they got bullied when they were new, and so on. Just keeping the tradition going. Don't break the cycle. So at Emerald you keep quiet about what goes on, legal or otherwise, even if the lives of your friends or colleagues are put at risk, because that is what everyone has done before you.
Pretty despicable really. But so easy to preach sitting comfortably in your Airbus or Boeing.
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I_W, sorry, but the situation at Emerald is far beyond the realms of normality. Maintenance is appalling, I can furnish you with numerous examples that would scare the pants off you that the CAA are aware of but as such have taken no action......yet.
As JAFO has mentioned, it is getting to the stage where something very bad is lurking just around the corner. Trying to equate Emerald with FlyBE or Eastern is nonsensical. We aren't even close to them and from what I understand, that is saying something!
Unless you are working for Emerald or have done in the past, then you can have no idea what it is really like. We had the awful situation of a 748 captain being suspended as he refused to take an aircraft that had been damaged by a ground handling unit. Is that acceptable? Not really.
Try Emerald and see how you like it, I'm sure there'll be plenty of jobs available soon.
As JAFO has mentioned, it is getting to the stage where something very bad is lurking just around the corner. Trying to equate Emerald with FlyBE or Eastern is nonsensical. We aren't even close to them and from what I understand, that is saying something!
Unless you are working for Emerald or have done in the past, then you can have no idea what it is really like. We had the awful situation of a 748 captain being suspended as he refused to take an aircraft that had been damaged by a ground handling unit. Is that acceptable? Not really.
Try Emerald and see how you like it, I'm sure there'll be plenty of jobs available soon.
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It was apparently SSWA (the only Shorts330 "flying" in Europe) which burst a tyre at EIN, I think some undercarriage damage was done as well as it is still parked there.
This happens occasionally and cannot really be put down to poor maintenance unless it was caused by a sticking brake or something similar.
it is worrying when flights have to be cancelled or go very late as a lot of peoples' jobs depend on these contracts, most of us want the company to succeed, although not the best employer it does give a good start to new pilots or a career for those of us a bit older.
hopefully we will soon be over the problems of ATPs draining all the profit.
This happens occasionally and cannot really be put down to poor maintenance unless it was caused by a sticking brake or something similar.
it is worrying when flights have to be cancelled or go very late as a lot of peoples' jobs depend on these contracts, most of us want the company to succeed, although not the best employer it does give a good start to new pilots or a career for those of us a bit older.
hopefully we will soon be over the problems of ATPs draining all the profit.
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its a shame
its a real shame that emerald are on there last legs as there are some really hard working good guys and girls there but when the mob admits they are dying a slow death that really must mean the end. the atps will be the end of emerald
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JEM's slow and painful death!
Firstly, to those who may have read my three posts which were removed from this thread; From beneath my cloak of anonimity may I as publically as possible offer my sincere apologies for any offence caused. To Danny..Thanks for lifting my temporary ban on posting on this thread!
Now, as I was saying
Oh well, I've had to censor myself. To all you guys and gals working for the MOB, there is greener grass beyond LPLJL Intl airstrip. Hang on in there, he'll eventually disappear up his own reading MOL's micro guide to staff relations.
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Now, as I was saying
Oh well, I've had to censor myself. To all you guys and gals working for the MOB, there is greener grass beyond LPLJL Intl airstrip. Hang on in there, he'll eventually disappear up his own
reading MOL's micro guide to staff relations.Rgds
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Anyone know anything about the course on the 748 supposed to be starting on the 7th feb?
What about their recent ( last week ) seminar re new pilots for atps/ 748
What about their recent ( last week ) seminar re new pilots for atps/ 748
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One of our crewing bod's is supposedly starting her 748 course on the 7th. About time too. It's a travesty how she's been treated. It'll be a shame to lose her from crewing though.
Oh and another resignation today.........
Oh and another resignation today.........
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YES THERE WILL!!
I'm sure Emerald will see over any short term problems with getting all the ATP's on line and they should start paying real dividends.
I for one give Emerald my vote and think that they have a really good group of people working for them.
REF: OPS 69
I think he is talking cr@p.
The ATPs will start to turn a profit after all refitting is completed.
There is no better machine for these short routes and windy locations.
I know.
the a/c burn 100kgs LESS an hour than the 748,carry up to 72 pax max, at higher speed(although not that fast!!) and ARE reliable.
Good luck to Emerald, putting on RJs on similar routes could prove costly and can't compete.
It'll all come out in the wash.
I'm sure Emerald will see over any short term problems with getting all the ATP's on line and they should start paying real dividends.
I for one give Emerald my vote and think that they have a really good group of people working for them.
REF: OPS 69
I think he is talking cr@p.
The ATPs will start to turn a profit after all refitting is completed.
There is no better machine for these short routes and windy locations.
I know.
the a/c burn 100kgs LESS an hour than the 748,carry up to 72 pax max, at higher speed(although not that fast!!) and ARE reliable.
Good luck to Emerald, putting on RJs on similar routes could prove costly and can't compete.
It'll all come out in the wash.
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ATPs may be reliable, but then again so are 748s if you service them properly.
Having worked for them I have to agree with Dada's frequent saying a right shower (cleaned up a bit). That is the management, not the workers. The guys and gals at the coalface are the only reason Emerald is still afloat. Without their goodwill (and God alone knows how the mobster keeps it) it would have been down the pan years ago.
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Having worked for them I have to agree with Dada's frequent saying a right shower (cleaned up a bit). That is the management, not the workers. The guys and gals at the coalface are the only reason Emerald is still afloat. Without their goodwill (and God alone knows how the mobster keeps it) it would have been down the pan years ago.
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(One of our crewing bod's is supposedly starting her 748 course on the 7th. About time too. It's a travesty how she's been treated. It'll be a shame to lose her from crewing though.)
So the rosters can't have been that illegal then!!!
So the rosters can't have been that illegal then!!!
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Torquetube---er, ahem. Sorry to butt in here. Re. your comment "ATP's are reliable"----er no, they are not. They are also expensive to maintain plus time consuming.
I have / had a long association--non of it good !--with the beast and I also have a good knowledge of the maintenance costs--and they are high to put it mildly. Sorry, but you are wrong in this instance.
I have / had a long association--non of it good !--with the beast and I also have a good knowledge of the maintenance costs--and they are high to put it mildly. Sorry, but you are wrong in this instance.
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Reliable ATP's?
I never thought I'd hear the words reliable and ATP in the same sentence unless reliable was preceded by UN.
I cannot think of an a/c less suited to Emerald's way of operating. Anything as maintenance intensive as the super Budgie is going to be a complete nightmare.
Just how many ATP engineers do we have on staff? Is that none? Oh yes it is. All contractors at the moment. They are really going to want to be heading off into the field at O dark 30 to fix a misbehaving ATP.
The ATP is fine if you throw tons of spares at the thing. Not the way we work currently.
I cannot think of an a/c less suited to Emerald's way of operating. Anything as maintenance intensive as the super Budgie is going to be a complete nightmare.
Just how many ATP engineers do we have on staff? Is that none? Oh yes it is. All contractors at the moment. They are really going to want to be heading off into the field at O dark 30 to fix a misbehaving ATP.
The ATP is fine if you throw tons of spares at the thing. Not the way we work currently.
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YES THERE WILL!!
I'm sure Emerald will see over any short term problems with getting all the ATP's on line and they should start paying real dividends.
I for one give Emerald my vote and think that they have a really good group of people working for them.
REF: OPS 69
I think he is talking cr@p.
The ATPs will start to turn a profit after all refitting is completed.
There is no better machine for these short routes and windy locations.
I know.
the a/c burn 100kgs LESS an hour than the 748,carry up to 72 pax max, at higher speed(although not that fast!!) and ARE reliable.
Good luck to Emerald, putting on RJs on similar routes could prove costly and can't compete.
It'll all come out in the wash.
[Last edited by torquetube on 1st February 2005 at 13:32]
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Im not going to rant and rave and bitch about emerald, no need
MOB doing a good enough job and dragging emerald down without any help!
As for the RJ....LOL... come out of your dream world...Emerald wont be around long, cant compete against an RJ...If your honest what would you rather fly in?
YES THERE WILL!!
I'm sure Emerald will see over any short term problems with getting all the ATP's on line and they should start paying real dividends.
I for one give Emerald my vote and think that they have a really good group of people working for them.
REF: OPS 69
I think he is talking cr@p.
The ATPs will start to turn a profit after all refitting is completed.
There is no better machine for these short routes and windy locations.
I know.
the a/c burn 100kgs LESS an hour than the 748,carry up to 72 pax max, at higher speed(although not that fast!!) and ARE reliable.
Good luck to Emerald, putting on RJs on similar routes could prove costly and can't compete.
It'll all come out in the wash.
[Last edited by torquetube on 1st February 2005 at 13:32]
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Im not going to rant and rave and bitch about emerald, no need
MOB doing a good enough job and dragging emerald down without any help!
As for the RJ....LOL... come out of your dream world...Emerald wont be around long, cant compete against an RJ...If your honest what would you rather fly in?