bmibaby Ops Dir resigns (Who shot JR?)
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Absolutely right Alterego -
The company will pay either way by way of wages having to go up or, constant recruitment and loss of personnel.
The performance of management to date equals one very dim lightbulb, maybe 15 watts or thereabouts.
We'll see what next Monday brings, they had better seen the light by then, or I can smell a lot worse than a cup of coffee coming up!
The company will pay either way by way of wages having to go up or, constant recruitment and loss of personnel.
The performance of management to date equals one very dim lightbulb, maybe 15 watts or thereabouts.
We'll see what next Monday brings, they had better seen the light by then, or I can smell a lot worse than a cup of coffee coming up!
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For too long Airline Managers have been spouting the standard post 9/11 phrase of "you people should be thankful you have a job." Hopefully the message is now getting through that this attitude is now way way past its 'sell by' date.
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Miss Management ..
Oooh sounds llike you might be getting a bit personal ... refering to my skin colour ? sexuality ? gender ? religion ?
White male heterosexual catholic
Oh you mean baby management ????
Wrong !!!!
FYI, if a strike action is called and indeed executed the stark reality will be :
Yesterday you worked for a company doing the job your wanted to do ...
Today the company ceases operation.. and you find yourself looking for for another company ..
Tommorow baby emerges from the ashes looking for staff on new contracts and who knows what terms....
Believe me SmB and NT wont be held to ransom .
You seem to have overlooked the fact that EVERY other bmi group employee has accepted 1.5%.
And with some baby staff earning barely 9K 1.5% of your salary is considerably more than the increase they accepted (You previously quoted your salary on pprune )
If im not mistaken the life style improvements you seek are changes to your current contracted terms .... A contract that you freely signed of your own volition.... If you didnt like the contract you were free to decline the offer and seek other offers (Having checked your previous postings it would seem you joined WW from the ashes of duo...)
My posting is closer to to reality than you realise
The writtings clearly on the wall 1.5% is all thats on offer from last April accept it and move on to this Aprils pay talks.
BALPA didnt get more for mainline and wont get more for you.
If you strike the only ones to suffer will be fare paying pax and your pockets .
DRJ
White male heterosexual catholic NON baby management
DRJ
You sound like one of THEM!!!
You sound like one of THEM!!!
White male heterosexual catholic
Oh you mean baby management ????
Wrong !!!!
FYI, if a strike action is called and indeed executed the stark choice faced by management is this:
Today thay have a company worth some money.
With their backs to the wall, after the strike they will have nowt!
Today thay have a company worth some money.
With their backs to the wall, after the strike they will have nowt!
Yesterday you worked for a company doing the job your wanted to do ...
Today the company ceases operation.. and you find yourself looking for for another company ..
Tommorow baby emerges from the ashes looking for staff on new contracts and who knows what terms....
Believe me SmB and NT wont be held to ransom .
You seem to have overlooked the fact that EVERY other bmi group employee has accepted 1.5%.
And with some baby staff earning barely 9K 1.5% of your salary is considerably more than the increase they accepted (You previously quoted your salary on pprune )
If im not mistaken the life style improvements you seek are changes to your current contracted terms .... A contract that you freely signed of your own volition.... If you didnt like the contract you were free to decline the offer and seek other offers (Having checked your previous postings it would seem you joined WW from the ashes of duo...)
Your posting therefore is defeatist and hardly productive sir!
The writtings clearly on the wall 1.5% is all thats on offer from last April accept it and move on to this Aprils pay talks.
BALPA didnt get more for mainline and wont get more for you.
If you strike the only ones to suffer will be fare paying pax and your pockets .
DRJ
White male heterosexual catholic NON baby management
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selling numerous of his charges down the river when he was on PLC then a nice round of golf with Dennis followed by a couple of pints down the lodge my heart bleeds for the slimey fat b*s*rd.One of the many very undesirables to have vacated Toad Hall.Sorry dont have a spare week to list them all maybe someone that gives a sh*t would like to chronicle the ignominious list.
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captplaystation, superb post! Puts my effort to shame!
As for listing the other toads of the same "character", one could start with those who were formerly on the BALPA CC. If your tongue won't reach, get on the BALPA CC and "work your way up" (so to speak) that way.
As for listing the other toads of the same "character", one could start with those who were formerly on the BALPA CC. If your tongue won't reach, get on the BALPA CC and "work your way up" (so to speak) that way.
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DRJ
You don't sound like a baby pilot at all.
Your highly/over defensive words against Miss Management makes me too feel suspicious about you.
Not one of us would have written what you have just been garbling on about.
Your giving in to 1.5% in the manner you are doing it is what's giving your 'non baby pilot' status away.
So, stay away, as you're attitude is not paticularly what we need right now.
You don't sound like a baby pilot at all.
Your highly/over defensive words against Miss Management makes me too feel suspicious about you.
Not one of us would have written what you have just been garbling on about.
Your giving in to 1.5% in the manner you are doing it is what's giving your 'non baby pilot' status away.
So, stay away, as you're attitude is not paticularly what we need right now.
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DRJ
You are wrong mainline have got alot more than 1.5 % when you take into account the addition of annual increments, etc.
We are not looking for more than 1.5 % but lifestyle improvements.
The feeling among the pilots is strengthening due to managements inaction. We have guidelines that they agree to that aren't adhered to & high turnover of staff that will only get worse unless the rot is stopped now.
For 3 years the workforce has made this company, despite the weaknesses that management could and should be avoiding. This with no payrise. The line in the sand has been drawn. As a profession we cannot let our terms and conditions deteriorate more and more whilst it becomes more and more expensive to get qualified and demand for our skills increases.
This is all coming at a time when there is choice for experienced pilots. You could argue that we should all leave for greener pastures but that is not always practical or possible. It is sometimes better that we make a stand and ask for/demand a reasonable response from the company.
That is why things have come to this.
You are wrong mainline have got alot more than 1.5 % when you take into account the addition of annual increments, etc.
We are not looking for more than 1.5 % but lifestyle improvements.
The feeling among the pilots is strengthening due to managements inaction. We have guidelines that they agree to that aren't adhered to & high turnover of staff that will only get worse unless the rot is stopped now.
For 3 years the workforce has made this company, despite the weaknesses that management could and should be avoiding. This with no payrise. The line in the sand has been drawn. As a profession we cannot let our terms and conditions deteriorate more and more whilst it becomes more and more expensive to get qualified and demand for our skills increases.
This is all coming at a time when there is choice for experienced pilots. You could argue that we should all leave for greener pastures but that is not always practical or possible. It is sometimes better that we make a stand and ask for/demand a reasonable response from the company.
That is why things have come to this.
Just a numbered other
DRJ,
Don't know from whence you hail, but if mainline, your charge:
is hardly relevant.
Mainline also began with CAP371 and evolved into the AFS protected state it now finds itself in. BALPA did that for them, and baby are setting out in that direction.
1.5% plus a few improvements to the worst disruption and hardest working pilot force in the UK. Not much to ask, but seemingly too much to deliver.
It's not a case of holding anyone to ransom, either.
I take it captplaystation won't be seeking an invite to the leaving do, then
Don't know from whence you hail, but if mainline, your charge:
If im not mistaken the life style improvements you seek are changes to your current contracted terms .... A contract that you freely signed of your own volition.... If you didnt like the contract you were free to decline the offer and seek other offers
Mainline also began with CAP371 and evolved into the AFS protected state it now finds itself in. BALPA did that for them, and baby are setting out in that direction.
1.5% plus a few improvements to the worst disruption and hardest working pilot force in the UK. Not much to ask, but seemingly too much to deliver.
It's not a case of holding anyone to ransom, either.
I take it captplaystation won't be seeking an invite to the leaving do, then
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Seems strange that Thomsonfly can offer its Pilots some sort of scheduling agreement year 1 into its Operation whereas Baby Pilots are up to 900 hrs flying with no protection whatsoever.
Does'nt sound much of an ask to me.
Does'nt sound much of an ask to me.
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Excuse me for butting into a meaningful tread…
But... the 'JR' talked about here is not a certain John Robertson Ex Oman Aviation?
If so I joined BM with him in 1986 on the Friendship, if it is the same, I find it hard to believe your talking about the same chap?? I’ve long since left BM, but thought he was a good guy back then with a great sense of humour…
But... the 'JR' talked about here is not a certain John Robertson Ex Oman Aviation?
If so I joined BM with him in 1986 on the Friendship, if it is the same, I find it hard to believe your talking about the same chap?? I’ve long since left BM, but thought he was a good guy back then with a great sense of humour…
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Whilst I don't agree with the sentiments of the last two posts, lets just say that even apparently nice men catch diseases.
Some diseases are local to certain companies where the breeding conditions are allowed to spread unchecked.
Ambitionitis and Promotionitis, for example, are easily contracted. Lack of ability and low intelligence don't offer the usual immunity. A**e licking and willingness to shop one's colleagues seem to leave one especially exposed.
Fortunately, they're all kept in quarantine in a place called Toad Hall. Seldom do they venture anywhere near a cockpit where they could cause harm.
Hope that clears things up.
Some diseases are local to certain companies where the breeding conditions are allowed to spread unchecked.
Ambitionitis and Promotionitis, for example, are easily contracted. Lack of ability and low intelligence don't offer the usual immunity. A**e licking and willingness to shop one's colleagues seem to leave one especially exposed.
Fortunately, they're all kept in quarantine in a place called Toad Hall. Seldom do they venture anywhere near a cockpit where they could cause harm.
Hope that clears things up.
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Yes back in the days when he was a jovial F/O who liked a beer and taking care of certain brummie based hosties one could be forgiven for liking him.Unfortunately he utilised the standard BM springboard (other peoples necks) to catapult himself seamlessly from BALPA rep to management.Many before, after& even now continue this treason;paying 1% to have 2 people trying to crucify you in a Disciplinary leaves me unable to have him described as a nice guy without adding historical perspective.I was not alone in being shafted thanks to his particular brand of help.(& no definitely not invited to the leaving do, not in the right club/when I shake hands there is only one meaning!) Best of luck to all of you still under that nasty little regime in fact getting so p*ss*d off that I left was one of my better career moves...As that other fat bloke sings NO REGRETS!
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straightnotlevel
In your case, yes! You definitely demonstrate the necessary low level of attention to what people have been saying. 
You may wish to think again when you realise exactly which body part you need to "work your way up" in order to succeed.
can i join as an f/o and work my way up to ops dir???
You may wish to think again when you realise exactly which body part you need to "work your way up" in order to succeed.
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JR has always 'liked a beer and 'taken care of someone'. I think it is blxxdy condescending of Captplaystation to 'forgive someone for liking him'
I am not defending the man (Heaven knows, he did me no favours!) but the vitriolic comments of some here should be balanced by the fact that he was a thorn in the side of the company when he was Chairman of the BALPA CC. He for one kept the AFS alive.
Anne
I am not defending the man (Heaven knows, he did me no favours!) but the vitriolic comments of some here should be balanced by the fact that he was a thorn in the side of the company when he was Chairman of the BALPA CC. He for one kept the AFS alive.
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John hasn't actually gone then?
I've just seen him (0715z 1/18/05). He couldn't stop he said he was called out to an AMS flight.
S'pose the benefit of not working directly for him is that he is/was popular with a lot of the ground staff.
I've just seen him (0715z 1/18/05). He couldn't stop he said he was called out to an AMS flight.
S'pose the benefit of not working directly for him is that he is/was popular with a lot of the ground staff.
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Ooops director
My partner saw one of the Heathrow managers upstairs at D Hall today. To be precise, one of the "good guys". Could this be true.Is our life about to change? Lets start praying fellas!
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Dear Mr/Ms Nonymouse , think you will find I wrote " one could be forgiven" as in the royal we,and yes I have forgiven myself. "thorn in the side"? Mmn. . not how I remember it , glad to hear he did you no favours at least I cant accuse him of being inconsistent. Apart from your response (the greatest insult is faint praise?) the underwhelming lack of defence would seem to suggest acbus1 and I pretty much hit the nail on the head?NUFF SAID.