More unrest at ryanair
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I agree 'cider',
Those investigation meetings are a joke. You can hear them building the gallows long before you attend. No matter what argument you put the result is always the same.....
....."We find you, the patsy, responsible. Say thank you to your intellectual superiors, toddle off with your smacked arse and we'll say no more..till it happens again and again and again....."
The investigation will always find the ground handler at fault as to say otherwise will be to admit culpability which will require further investigation, perhaps with outside third parties, ultimately resulting in much needed changes to procedures and practice and a financial investment in equipment and training.
Im not saying that the ground handlers havent been responsible for some incidents, they certainly have, but to say 100% of all incidents are due to them is at best incorrect and at worst a cover up.
Those investigation meetings are a joke. You can hear them building the gallows long before you attend. No matter what argument you put the result is always the same.....
....."We find you, the patsy, responsible. Say thank you to your intellectual superiors, toddle off with your smacked arse and we'll say no more..till it happens again and again and again....."
The investigation will always find the ground handler at fault as to say otherwise will be to admit culpability which will require further investigation, perhaps with outside third parties, ultimately resulting in much needed changes to procedures and practice and a financial investment in equipment and training.
Im not saying that the ground handlers havent been responsible for some incidents, they certainly have, but to say 100% of all incidents are due to them is at best incorrect and at worst a cover up.
411A, whilst I note your point and usually acknowledge your experience within the industry from earlier days, on this occasion things are not quite as simple as you would seem to think.
The basic fact is that all the unfortunate employees want is for Mo'L to behave like a civilised person and not some Victorian mill-owner. If he would listen to the employees' concerns, he could have a loyal, hard-working workforce which would neither need nor want union representation.
But sadly he won't listen. As a result, union activity has had to be initiated in order to use employment legislation to protect the workforce from unreasonable terms and conditions.
It won't affect me personally as I will never fly RyanAir whilst arrogant bullies are at the helm of the company. A management style more like that of a Southern State cotton plantation owner at the time of the American civil war is totally unacceptable in today's society.
To misquote Clark Gable's Rhett Butler, "Frankly, my dear 411A, he don't give a damn!"
Another Rhett Butler line must have been written with Mo'L in mind: "With enough courage, you can do without a reputation."
The basic fact is that all the unfortunate employees want is for Mo'L to behave like a civilised person and not some Victorian mill-owner. If he would listen to the employees' concerns, he could have a loyal, hard-working workforce which would neither need nor want union representation.
But sadly he won't listen. As a result, union activity has had to be initiated in order to use employment legislation to protect the workforce from unreasonable terms and conditions.
It won't affect me personally as I will never fly RyanAir whilst arrogant bullies are at the helm of the company. A management style more like that of a Southern State cotton plantation owner at the time of the American civil war is totally unacceptable in today's society.
To misquote Clark Gable's Rhett Butler, "Frankly, my dear 411A, he don't give a damn!"
Another Rhett Butler line must have been written with Mo'L in mind: "With enough courage, you can do without a reputation."
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Would certainly agree, BEagle, that if Ryanair management (such as it is...
) were just slightly more accomodating, their staff (including FD) would be more co-operative.
At some point however, IF the management 'style' doesn't change, financial folks will have a look at the company, and decide for themselves the present unviability of the situation, and it well could be that the 'financial cement truck' will right and truly find the present top guy in the head shed....if you get my drift.
In the meantime, folks now employed have several choices...keep their collective heads down and hope for the best (cement truck), or organize, and put their heads on the chopping block.
Not an easy choice...either way. But, the added rating (and line experience) would certainly go a long way if they decide to jump ship.
) were just slightly more accomodating, their staff (including FD) would be more co-operative.At some point however, IF the management 'style' doesn't change, financial folks will have a look at the company, and decide for themselves the present unviability of the situation, and it well could be that the 'financial cement truck' will right and truly find the present top guy in the head shed....if you get my drift.
In the meantime, folks now employed have several choices...keep their collective heads down and hope for the best (cement truck), or organize, and put their heads on the chopping block.
Not an easy choice...either way. But, the added rating (and line experience) would certainly go a long way if they decide to jump ship.
Just a numbered other
411A:
Not quite. If they keeop their heads down, roll over and take more of the same, no-one's gonna call for the cement truck.
By organising, they're as likely to put MOL's head (Oh! Perlease
) on the chopping block, as their own.
Understand, please, that the erosion of Ts and Cs at Ryanair are percolating through the Locos of the British Isles. At least one other is about to get a bloody nose from its pilots, and (sad to say) it's the only way that the rot will be stopped.
And if you think fifteen grand is a good rate for upgrading from the 200 to the NG, then please let us know why.
It's robbery, as is not being paid during training, not being kept in medical cat by the company, and the many other things which RYR deprive their flight deck of.
You wouldn't have put up with it in your day, and there's no reason why anyone should now.
The Tolpuddle Martyrs didn't set up a union to bring down their employers. They did it as a last desperate measure to feed themselves.
Good companies' (and there are many) employees don't need a union. Ryanair's do.
In the meantime, folks now employed have several choices...keep their collective heads down and hope for the best (cement truck), or organize, and put their heads on the chopping block.
By organising, they're as likely to put MOL's head (Oh! Perlease
) on the chopping block, as their own.Understand, please, that the erosion of Ts and Cs at Ryanair are percolating through the Locos of the British Isles. At least one other is about to get a bloody nose from its pilots, and (sad to say) it's the only way that the rot will be stopped.
And if you think fifteen grand is a good rate for upgrading from the 200 to the NG, then please let us know why.
It's robbery, as is not being paid during training, not being kept in medical cat by the company, and the many other things which RYR deprive their flight deck of.
You wouldn't have put up with it in your day, and there's no reason why anyone should now.
The Tolpuddle Martyrs didn't set up a union to bring down their employers. They did it as a last desperate measure to feed themselves.
Good companies' (and there are many) employees don't need a union. Ryanair's do.
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Quite correct, Arkroyal, I most definately would not have put up with this nonsense, but then again, I'd be darn sure I had the rating and operating experience, then done something about it.
To huff and puff (collectively or individually) is a waste of time, BEFORE you have the boss over a barrel, and then find that he can't hire guys, because the type is relatively new....and just where is he going to get current crews then?
THINK, before acting, and then have him by the short hairs...right where he belongs, by the looks of it.
Much easier to get folks to comply with honey...than with vinegar...sad to say...and some managements right and truly have forgotten that all important fact.
To huff and puff (collectively or individually) is a waste of time, BEFORE you have the boss over a barrel, and then find that he can't hire guys, because the type is relatively new....and just where is he going to get current crews then?
THINK, before acting, and then have him by the short hairs...right where he belongs, by the looks of it.
Much easier to get folks to comply with honey...than with vinegar...sad to say...and some managements right and truly have forgotten that all important fact.
