PIA Intercept
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Rumour has it that a no R/T PIA jet inbound to Manch has been intercepted by two F3s at FL370. How the hell have two F3s managed to get to 370? Are they using Optimax? Apparantly our Pakistani hadn't spoken to ATC for over an hour. When will they learn.
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Journos slow off the mark; nothing on BBC, ITV or Manch. On-line.
Princess Anne's "Narrow escape from death" must be all the news they need this week
Princess Anne's "Narrow escape from death" must be all the news they need this week
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There wouldn't be enough squadrons of fighters in this part of the world to intercept all the plonkers that go nocomm in this and adjacent FIR's! Certain companies offend more than others and it would be an unusual day if aircraft responded to your first call whilst under radar control.....2 calls the norm!
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<<A PIA flight in "NOT TALKING ON THE R/T" drama!!!!!
We get used to it after a while, sadly.>>
Sad to see PIA being ragged.. I never experienced any problems with them in 31 years as a Heathrow controller. On the other hand.. I've certainly experienced a few of our "native" crews wandering merrrily downwind for 30 miles without saying a word!
We get used to it after a while, sadly.>>
Sad to see PIA being ragged.. I never experienced any problems with them in 31 years as a Heathrow controller. On the other hand.. I've certainly experienced a few of our "native" crews wandering merrrily downwind for 30 miles without saying a word!
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I'd like to associate myself with HD's comments; in my experience (at CC) PIA crews are polite and professional - a pleasure to deal with, in fact.
Now if they'd only taxi a little faster......
Now if they'd only taxi a little faster......
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Yes, they are always polite and professional
We have had an awful lot of problems with them though with regard to their RT and it failing frequently though (there was a very recent example in the last Ringway Reminder if memory serves me correctly). They're obviously unluckier than most.
We have had an awful lot of problems with them though with regard to their RT and it failing frequently though (there was a very recent example in the last Ringway Reminder if memory serves me correctly). They're obviously unluckier than most.
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PIA incident at MAN
Has this been discussed already?
You know, the one with the breakdown in communication between the tower & the cockpit..
If not, how come there's no mention of it anywhere?
Would have thought an armed escort back to MAN would have been quite newsworthy?
or have I just broken one or more of the 10 commandments of PPRuNE at the first attempt?
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You know, the one with the breakdown in communication between the tower & the cockpit..
If not, how come there's no mention of it anywhere?
Would have thought an armed escort back to MAN would have been quite newsworthy?
or have I just broken one or more of the 10 commandments of PPRuNE at the first attempt?
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Oh, very good Scottie!
This is the 3rd PIA intercept in under a year that I have heard about. A couple over Russia for incorrect/late flight plan notification and now this.
Next!
This is the 3rd PIA intercept in under a year that I have heard about. A couple over Russia for incorrect/late flight plan notification and now this.
Next!
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Probably not reported as they're a bit of a non event really, in the grand scheme of things. Standard procedures are followed by all concerned and that's the end of it pretty much.
If the tabloids did latch on to it (and it's only a matter of time until they do of course) then it'd be a typically tabloidian outlook - "SILENT PLANES HURTLE TOWARDS TERROR TARGET!!!!!" and that sort of nonsense.
Of course any RTF is quite a serious incident, especially in this day and age, but it's all dealt with in a calm, professional and wholly un-newsworthy manner
Of course, the reason behind any failure is worthy of further, technical investigation.
If the tabloids did latch on to it (and it's only a matter of time until they do of course) then it'd be a typically tabloidian outlook - "SILENT PLANES HURTLE TOWARDS TERROR TARGET!!!!!" and that sort of nonsense.
Of course any RTF is quite a serious incident, especially in this day and age, but it's all dealt with in a calm, professional and wholly un-newsworthy manner
Of course, the reason behind any failure is worthy of further, technical investigation.
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As I was saying..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/4024063.stm
A snippet :
"A jumbo jet flying to the UK from Pakistan was tracked within 40 miles of Manchester by two RAF fighters during a security alert, the BBC has learned."
A snippet :
"A jumbo jet flying to the UK from Pakistan was tracked within 40 miles of Manchester by two RAF fighters during a security alert, the BBC has learned."
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BBC report says:
Is this credible!?
Andy
The airline said the pilot and crew were unaware that fighter jets had been scrambled and that anything unusual was happening.
It claimed it had been unable to contact air traffic controllers in Manchester but had spoken to operators in London.
It claimed it had been unable to contact air traffic controllers in Manchester but had spoken to operators in London.
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Sorry if I appear terribly thick here but going back to the first post and the incredulity expressed about the F3 getting to FL370.
I presume that we are talking about the Tornado?
I know that there are many variants of this aircraft but I would have thought that FL400+ would have been achievable for supersonic fighter jets.
I'm not really an anorak and only learned enough on the theory front to get the ATPL's and so would welcome any replies simple or technical.
I presume that we are talking about the Tornado?
I know that there are many variants of this aircraft but I would have thought that FL400+ would have been achievable for supersonic fighter jets.
I'm not really an anorak and only learned enough on the theory front to get the ATPL's and so would welcome any replies simple or technical.
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