LHR Incident 24/10/04 2025z ??? (or how not to jump into journo mode)
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See that Bahrainlad has just said what I was going to.
There was some severe (for us) weather around London last night -- albeit localised. Big gusts of wind and occasional heavy rain squalls.
I'm not a pilot, but I can see why some planes decided to go around. It was pretty hairy on the ground!
Well done to all.
There was some severe (for us) weather around London last night -- albeit localised. Big gusts of wind and occasional heavy rain squalls.
I'm not a pilot, but I can see why some planes decided to go around. It was pretty hairy on the ground!
Well done to all.
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The Initial problems were caused by a Varig MD11 which had an engine surge on rotation from 27L. Ops were called to make sure there was no debris on the runway as is normal in this situation.
Runway was closed for 13 minutes. Because of the darkness it unfortunatly takes longer then normal to make sure everything is ok with the runway.
Happy flying
Runway was closed for 13 minutes. Because of the darkness it unfortunatly takes longer then normal to make sure everything is ok with the runway.
Happy flying
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Varig MD11 wasn't departing, he'd just landed, hence going 27R single so we could get an inspection of 27L.
Small orange flash observed from number 3 engine, educated guess that it was an engine surge, the crew concurred, most likely reason they felt was the amount of standing water sucked into the engine whilst using a high amount of reverse thrust. No cockpit indication of anything untoward, engine shut down as a precaution, no fire service attendance.
No Emergency
maybe a little adrenaline (perk of the job)
No Drama
And most importantly no need for an alarmist initial post that'll get journos choking on their donuts or bagels if you work for the Guardian
Just a usual busy night at EGLL that as it pains me deeply to say it was very professionally handled by Halo
, makes a change.
Small orange flash observed from number 3 engine, educated guess that it was an engine surge, the crew concurred, most likely reason they felt was the amount of standing water sucked into the engine whilst using a high amount of reverse thrust. No cockpit indication of anything untoward, engine shut down as a precaution, no fire service attendance.
No Emergency
maybe a little adrenaline (perk of the job)
No Drama
And most importantly no need for an alarmist initial post that'll get journos choking on their donuts or bagels if you work for the Guardian
Just a usual busy night at EGLL that as it pains me deeply to say it was very professionally handled by Halo
, makes a change.
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Perhaps a little of topic but....
Ten miles 28R, IMC and we are informed Air India has burst tyres on landing. Offered switch by ATC. The 757 needed the Autopilot out to "de-establish from the ILS", re-engaged in VS and heading select. 30 degree attack towards 28L centre line, Excellent P2 retuned the ILS's to 28L, swapped letdown booklets (already opened at the 28L ILS plate for me). Established on the ILS and at 1000 feet "gave" the aircraft to the copilot for his landing
The high points were the excellent support from ATC and my copilot (that saved a go around).
The low point was the debrief from the female CAA inspector sitting behind us (who had joined us in Madrid without warning). All she could say was that I had the incorrect letdown plate on my clip (after the runway switch). I suggested differently. She responded that although the plate I was using was for the ILS 28L it was the northerly approach from Bovingdon and the correct one should have been the southerly approach from Biggin!!! I resisted the urge to suggest there was no difference once established on the ILS.
So, so out of touch it wasn't true.
She never smiled, mind you that could have been due to the thickness of make-up she was wearing.
I went home thinking "a job well done". I wonder what she did.
Ten miles 28R, IMC and we are informed Air India has burst tyres on landing. Offered switch by ATC. The 757 needed the Autopilot out to "de-establish from the ILS", re-engaged in VS and heading select. 30 degree attack towards 28L centre line, Excellent P2 retuned the ILS's to 28L, swapped letdown booklets (already opened at the 28L ILS plate for me). Established on the ILS and at 1000 feet "gave" the aircraft to the copilot for his landing
The high points were the excellent support from ATC and my copilot (that saved a go around).
The low point was the debrief from the female CAA inspector sitting behind us (who had joined us in Madrid without warning). All she could say was that I had the incorrect letdown plate on my clip (after the runway switch). I suggested differently. She responded that although the plate I was using was for the ILS 28L it was the northerly approach from Bovingdon and the correct one should have been the southerly approach from Biggin!!! I resisted the urge to suggest there was no difference once established on the ILS.
So, so out of touch it wasn't true.
She never smiled, mind you that could have been due to the thickness of make-up she was wearing.
I went home thinking "a job well done". I wonder what she did.
Tabs please !
Well done everyone !
I was on my way to LHR early evening and the weather was foul with traffic slowing to around 40mph due to driving rain. We were 60 mins late on pushback due to both runways accepting inbound aircraft however it sounds like the pro's earned their crust that night and the SLF down the back (like me) were none the wiser.
After everything returned to normal, I was most impressed at the way ATC / crews handled the resulting departure "scrum" on 28R.
I was on my way to LHR early evening and the weather was foul with traffic slowing to around 40mph due to driving rain. We were 60 mins late on pushback due to both runways accepting inbound aircraft however it sounds like the pro's earned their crust that night and the SLF down the back (like me) were none the wiser.
After everything returned to normal, I was most impressed at the way ATC / crews handled the resulting departure "scrum" on 28R.
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Hey all this talk of 28R makes me feel at home (and old!). Over many many years I have never heard any of the kind of clap trap that comes up on some of these so called documentaries/films and outsiders "accounts" of incidents. What I have heard is years and years of brilliant controlling, with the highest of standards and professionalism (and of course some humour!).
Let's hope more people think before they write.
Let's hope more people think before they write.
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My first opportunity to reply after a week overseas. I would
like to stand up and take this opportunity to publically offer apologies to Halo in the nature of my posting.
Sundays' posting was never meant to cause offence or call into question anyones' ability at work. I apologise sincerely for any other way in which my wording was construed or interpreted.
I wrote what I wrote in good faith as events began to unfold which made me quite edgy, as what appeared to a major situation, evolved. Hearing what I heard on the RT gave me greater sense of waryness.
Thankfully everything was handled safely and well as with the usual professionalism of all concerned at Heathrow and that is reflected in every reply to this thread.
The location of my work takes me within the great ramps and pavements
of LHR. I am not a die hard scanner listener getting all
carried away. Lets say that I have access to this as part of my work tools.
What I genuinely witnessed, observed and overheard on the RT was not
made up, not fiction, never nor was it deliberately engaging "journo" mode. This is the danger of anonymity on PPRUNE I guess, accused of being Journalistic - lessons have been learned - please accept my apology and dsire to respond.
At the end of the day the question which I asked was eventually
answered as to what caused all of Sunday nights' events.
JW411
a message to you,, Your comments regarding my posts lacking of information - your comments via PM always welcome on specific points where you feel the need to put me right.
The callsign will be heard again, let me assure you.
like to stand up and take this opportunity to publically offer apologies to Halo in the nature of my posting.
Sundays' posting was never meant to cause offence or call into question anyones' ability at work. I apologise sincerely for any other way in which my wording was construed or interpreted.
I wrote what I wrote in good faith as events began to unfold which made me quite edgy, as what appeared to a major situation, evolved. Hearing what I heard on the RT gave me greater sense of waryness.
Thankfully everything was handled safely and well as with the usual professionalism of all concerned at Heathrow and that is reflected in every reply to this thread.
The location of my work takes me within the great ramps and pavements
of LHR. I am not a die hard scanner listener getting all
carried away. Lets say that I have access to this as part of my work tools.
What I genuinely witnessed, observed and overheard on the RT was not
made up, not fiction, never nor was it deliberately engaging "journo" mode. This is the danger of anonymity on PPRUNE I guess, accused of being Journalistic - lessons have been learned - please accept my apology and dsire to respond.
At the end of the day the question which I asked was eventually
answered as to what caused all of Sunday nights' events.
JW411
a message to you,, Your comments regarding my posts lacking of information - your comments via PM always welcome on specific points where you feel the need to put me right.
The callsign will be heard again, let me assure you.
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Well done, Bristolre, on being honest enough to own up to making a mistake instead of just disappearing off and leaving things up in the air.
Out of interest, what job do you do that lets you "have access to this as part of my work tools". Or is it secret squirrel?
Out of interest, what job do you do that lets you "have access to this as part of my work tools". Or is it secret squirrel?